Re: politics get violent

2010-10-27 Thread Judah McAuley
Tim Profitt, the dude who stomped on the lady's head, wants an apology from her. ... As for Profitt, he remains defiant. "I don't think it's that big of a deal," Profitt said. And when asked if he would apologize to Valle. "I would like for her to apologize to me to be honest with you," Profitt s

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Here's the latest bit, now the guy who stomped the activist is demanding an apology: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/26/AR2010102600992.html Rand Paul volunteer ordered to court for scuffle By ROGER ALFORD The Associated Press Tuesday, October 26, 2010; 9:18 PM LEXIN

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
I wondered how long it would take to id the guys involved in the assault. I half-expected that Paul would take the "both sides are at fault" route and say "hopefully someone figures out who was involved". Of course that's exactly what he did say, nauseating as it is. Turns out that Paul himself co

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
He apologized, was banned from future rallies and is going to court. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3982/ns/us_news "A friend of mine went up to three policeman before Rand got there, and told them about the girl who was standing there with that wig on and that she was getting ready to do somet

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Maureen
Sam to cf-community Oct 22 (5 days ago) You get beat up by republicans? That's too funny. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Sam wrote: > > Your an antagonist and a liar so it is kind of a humorous claim. > In other words I can see you egging on a beating but I just can't > believe a re

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
That was not OK. Now what do you think he should get? Death? Slaying of the first born? On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:54 PM, denstar wrote: > > Unnecessary roughness? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amaz

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
Are you talking about the entire event? I already stated me position. She was wrong for charging a candidate and they all, except one, did the right thing by subduing her. The guy with the foot was wrong and will suffer the consequences. The person that stomped on a foot with the surgical sock w

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread denstar
Unnecessary roughness? :Den -- It is, from another angle, an attack on requiring proof in philosophy. And it's also the case, I guess, that my temperament is to like interesting, new, bold ideas, and to try and generate them. Robert Nozick On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Sam wrote: > > Pleas

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
Your an antagonist and a liar so it is kind of a humorous claim. In other words I can see you egging on a beating but I just can't believe a republican would dispatch it. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Did you not see his posting chortling with glee when I mentioned being

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread denstar
LOL! This list rocks. :Den -- I guess my tendency is to think essentially that the new wrinkles won't do the job if the old major idea didn't, and so you have to try something different. Then maybe they can all be combined in some coherent piece. Robert Nozick On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
Please explain the question. Was what ok to me? On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Vivec wrote: > > That doesn't answer the question does it. > Was it ok to you or not? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.a

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread denstar
It looks like it was both ok and not ok. Sorta half here, half there. A bit cognitively dissonant. :Den -- >From each as they choose, to each as they are chosen. Robert Nozick On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Vivec wrote: > > That doesn't answer the question does it. > Was it ok to you or n

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Sam wrote: > > Why are all you lefties so big into childish name calling. How come no > righties on this list behave like babies? Son, they shook... There ain't no such things as halfway crooks scared to death, scared to look they shook ~

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Maureen
Did you not see his posting chortling with glee when I mentioned being assaulted a few weeks ago? He loves it when Republicans beat up women. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > Am I reading that right??? Are you actually supporting the people who > beat this woman?? WTF dude

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Vivec
That doesn't answer the question does it. Was it ok to you or not? On 26 October 2010 14:42, Sam wrote: > > You are a quick study. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Antholog

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
You are a quick study. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:37 PM, denstar wrote: > > Who cares what she says?  Our eyes are open, right?  That looked o.k. to you? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-C

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
And it is unthinkable that a person with a concussion would be confused about their current state. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:37 AM, denstar wrote: > > Who cares what she says?  Our eyes are open, right?  That looked o.k. to you? > > :Den > > -- > The Flag Shop Is Out Of Stock > I Hang Myself at

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread denstar
Who cares what she says? Our eyes are open, right? That looked o.k. to you? :Den -- The Flag Shop Is Out Of Stock I Hang Myself at Half Mast On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Sam wrote: > > On another note, this morning she claimed she was not hurt and then > later confirmed to MoveOn.org th

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
Why are all you lefties so big into childish name calling. How come no righties on this list behave like babies? On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Sam wrote: >>  He didn't stomp her like a violent thug but applied >> pressure as an angr

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
I say he should send her a chiropractic bill for cracking her back. :) He never actually touched her neck or head. The guy will get caught and she has promised to sue him. He's as fool and will now have to pay. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > from what i can tell, the pos

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Judah McAuley
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Sam wrote: > He didn't stomp her like a violent thug but applied > pressure as an angry supporter. You're a pretty pathetic excuse for a human being Sam. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Antholo

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Ras Tafari
from what i can tell, the position of his foot, and the angle of her body/neck, i bet, with not much force, you are looking at a broken neck, if not severed spinal cord. 'splain that one to the jury hombre! On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Sam wrote: > > She said she was running at Ron Paul whe

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
On another note, this morning she claimed she was not hurt and then later confirmed to MoveOn.org that she suffered a concussion. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:15 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > .. >> out who he is, and rightfully so. That kind of behavio

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
She said she was running at Ron Paul when she was tripped or fell. So she was rushing him and they grabbed her and yelled for police. Sounds logical. As for the guy with the foot, I do think it was uncalled for as did the crowd. He appears to have done it in disgust and as an overreaction. He di

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: .. > out who he is, and rightfully so. That kind of behavior has no place in > our society. It shouldn't, but it obviously does. We suck sometimes. Them's the breaks. :Den -- Now have to back petal...from the shower of glass and metal Wonde

RE: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sisk, Kris
Sam I can see why you might think the guys who restrained her did the right thing, though I agree with Jerry that they should feel a little silly. Not for falling for what you think was a publicity stunt (I still think that you need a tinfoil had if you think getting attacked was her goal), but, a

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > There isn't much of a choice around here. I do vote republican in some local > races from time to time. So you do agree with them sometimes or are they just not as bad as your favorite party :P > At least if I go all Dem, I can 99% agree

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > In retrospect, those involved should feel a little foolish, for attacking a > person with a flyer. If I was stupid I would think that was the case. > But as evidenced by the thugs working for Miller in Alaska, that might be > too much to

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I see is one person trying to make a political statement, possibly through > none-too-bright means but we can't know that for sure, a bunch of people > overreacting, and one person, a Rand Paul supporter, being a complete > @sshole." > > B

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread denstar
I'm there, pop-pop! You couldn't shake me if I was a newborn, or came with a label that said "agitate well before opening". Cuz I'm ill, like 5 years of pain pills. :Den -- Certainly the emphasis I place in this chapter on coordination of behavior and cooperation to mutual benefit is somethin

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Sam wrote: > But the Dems are golden? You're a party line voter aren't you. There isn't much of a choice around here. I do vote republican in some local races from time to time. At least if I go all Dem, I can 99% agree my core values are going to be represent

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Jerry Johnson
It isn't the "taking her down" I disagree with. In retrospect, those involved should feel a little foolish, for attacking a person with a flyer. But as evidenced by the thugs working for Miller in Alaska, that might be too much to hope for. But the jackbooted foot to the head was too much. Jus

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Ras Tafari
the part that gets me most, is that that guy took an opportunity while she was down, to further put her in her place... i bet a few things... 1. he doesnt like people of color 2. he probably abuses other things in his life 3. he has a small dick. 4. he's afraid women, minorities and others are ta

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Jerry Johnson
So you too agree with his attack? I am baffled. Truly. I am starting to get the feeling that this IS really an unreachable divide. If you truly believe that, I would classify you as a radical asshat, a dangerous and uncaring and completely worthless person. I hope I misread that. Jerry On Tu

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
Well don't turn in to an ass about it. She obviously did something to cause a crowd to tackle her and yell for the police. The asshole with the foot is an aside. But you can make it the focus of your attack against the GOP. That's why she did it and it's seems those that question her are called n

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I see is one person trying to make a political statement, possibly through none-too-bright means but we can't know that for sure, a bunch of people overreacting, and one person, a Rand Paul supporter, being a complete @sshole." Better safe than sorry. Maybe some people should have over reacted

RE: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sisk, Kris
>What can I say, I'm good at noticing the obvious. No, you're good at seeing what you want to see. What I see is one person trying to make a political statement, possibly through none-too-bright means but we can't know that for sure, a bunch of people overreacting, and one person, a Rand Paul s

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
"no it doesn't. It may be typical of the fringe groups, but not the whole party." J Amen. On both sides of the aisle. - We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton ~| Order the A

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
But the Dems are golden? You're a party line voter aren't you. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Sam wrote: > >> When have you ever admitted they did something right? > > > > I'm still waiting... I only started voting in 92, but haven't s

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > Yeah, and when you turn up the sound, you can trully hear him crunch down on > her shoulder. oooh you can hear her shoulder crack. The news guy points to her and says: "This lady here" before she's taken down. I wonder what he saw. > Sh

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Sam wrote: > When have you ever admitted they did something right? I'm still waiting... I only started voting in 92, but haven't seen one good thing come out of republicans in office. ~| Ord

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > >>According to the police she refused treatment. If you look at the > video you can clearly see she couldn't have gotten a concussion, maybe > a bruise bit that's it. She actually looks like she's smiling the > whole time. > > 1) You'd be surp

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > >According to the police she refused treatment. If you look at the > video you can clearly see she couldn't have gotten a concussion, maybe > a bruise bit that's it. She actually looks like she's smiling the > whole time. > > 1) You'd be su

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
When have you ever admitted they did something right? You fall for every scandal thrown at you as a way to tar and feather conservatives. Luckily for me I can see through them, one day you might be able to also. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Once it involves the GOP doing c

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Vivec
Once it involves the GOP doing crap, it's a setup in Sam's eyes. I have never seen him admit to the GOP/Tea Party doing wrong on this list. On 26 October 2010 12:58, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > EVERYTHING along these lines stinks of a setup to you. >

RE: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sisk, Kris
>According to the police she refused treatment. If you look at the video you can clearly see she couldn't have gotten a concussion, maybe a bruise bit that's it. She actually looks like she's smiling the whole time. 1) You'd be surprised how little it takes to cause a concussion. I've seen them c

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
Reading comprehension. I never justified it, I think they guy with the foot was wrong and said so. The real focus should be why they felt the need to subdue her and yell for the police. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > That justifies assault? > ~~~

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > That IS the first symptoms of a concussion you're likely to notice. According to the police she refused treatment. If you look at the video you can clearly see she couldn't have gotten a concussion, maybe a bruise bit that's it. She actuall

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
That justifies assault? On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: >> >> Read the article Sam. >> >> #1 "MoveOn.org released a statement and said that Valle suffered a >> concussion but was released from the hospital early on Tuesday mor

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Sam wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: >> >> Read the article Sam. >> >> #1 "MoveOn.org released a statement and said that Valle suffered a >> concussion but was released from the hospital early on Tuesday morning." > > Never trust Move

RE: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sisk, Kris
There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:22 AM To: cf-community >That must have been before she realized she had a concussion. That IS the fir

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > One encouraging thing: When the guy steps on her head you can hear > people around him trying to stop him. It sounds like most of the people > thought she meant Rand Paul harm and just one guy decided to be an > idiot. I see I'm not the onl

RE: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sisk, Kris
I missed the top video the first time through somehow. The second video doesn't have the audio of the incident, just people talking about it. -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:22 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: politic

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Vivec
Hmm..alright then. It seemed more chaotic to me at first. On 26 October 2010 12:14, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > One encouraging thing: When the guy steps on her head you can hear > people around him trying to stop him. It sounds like most of the people > thought she meant Rand Paul harm > ~~~

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
Stick with me boy, I'll open yer eyes. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, denstar wrote: > > I dunno, Sam didn't have a problem with it, and he's my compass ;) > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.c

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > Read the article Sam. > > #1 "MoveOn.org released a statement and said that Valle suffered a > concussion but was released from the hospital early on Tuesday morning." Never trust MoveOn.org: "I'm here to present Rand Paul with the 'Employe

RE: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sisk, Kris
d the cops then paranoia is running a little high. -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:08 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: politics get violent no it doesn't. It may be typical of the fringe groups, but

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread denstar
I dunno, Sam didn't have a problem with it, and he's my compass ;) :Den -- You're a sovereign as a citizen. If you're not involved in your government, you're not doing your job. In the long run that's very bad for the Republic. Michael Novak On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
no it doesn't. It may be typical of the fringe groups, but not the whole party. it's just a sad commentary that politics are enraging people enough to do this. On Oct 26, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Vivec wrote: > > And this typifies the current GOP and Tea Party movement. > Bunch of crazies. > > On

RE: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sisk, Kris
nor on her shoulder. It was clearly meant to cause pain or injury. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: politics get violent What I saw was a woman with a wig being taken down very close to a senate

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Scott Stroz
Yes, he did 'gently' put his foot on her shoulderthen he appeared to press down pretty hard on her neck and head. or did you miss that part? I cannot believe anyone is condoning this behavior. Even the republican candidate was appalled. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Sam wrote: > > What

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
If someone in disguise rushed Obama and you were nearby you would stop them too, I know I would. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Vivec wrote: > > And this typifies the current GOP and Tea Party movement. > Bunch of crazies. > ~~

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
What I saw was a woman with a wig being taken down very close to a senate candidate and people yelling call the police. The one fool gently puts his foot on her shoulder out of disgust. That was wrong, he didn't hurt her, she didn't get a concussion. The real question is why is moveon.org staging

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Vivec
And this typifies the current GOP and Tea Party movement. Bunch of crazies. On 26 October 2010 11:54, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > Am I reading that right??? Are you actually supporting the people who > beat this woman?? WTF dude? A woman gets a concussion for trying to hand > someone a fake award and

RE: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sisk, Kris
killed. That's unacceptable behavior by any sane standard. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:27 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: politics get violent Wow is right, good think they were quick thinking enough to stop her and

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
So you are condoning this sort of violence? A person gets beaten just because she wants to give the guy a piece of paper? On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Sam wrote: > > Wow is right, good think they were quick thinking enough to stop her > and yell for the police. WTF was she thinking? > > >

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Sam
Wow is right, good think they were quick thinking enough to stop her and yell for the police. WTF was she thinking? On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/woman-stomped-outside-rand-pau.html > > wow >

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Sadly, the fucking coward who was stepping on her head has the right > to vote. I guess no system is perfect. The whole fact the GOP has Candidates means the system isn't perfect ;-) ~~~

Re: politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Scott Stroz
Sadly, the fucking coward who was stepping on her head has the right to vote. I guess no system is perfect. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/woman-stomped-outside-rand-pau.html > > wow > > > > Look at the hate we're br

politics get violent

2010-10-26 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/woman-stomped-outside-rand-pau.html wow Look at the hate we're breeding Look at the fear we're feeding Look at the lives we're leading The way we've always done before ~| Order