[CF-metadata] CF point observation Conventions ready for review

2009-10-27 Thread John Caron
I have complete a new version of the CF point observation Conventions at: https://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/trac/wiki/PointObservationConventions Discussion is at: https://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/37 I have incorporated various feedback from the past year, and made a preliminary implementation

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag valuesinnetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread V. Balaji
Bryan Lawrence writes: My job is to persist data indefinitely, and I'm relying on vocabulary servers ... (and in particular, Roy's ... ) somehow we will persist the vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk address, regardless of nerc's future, and of ndg's future, although if ac.uk went away we might be in trouble

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag valuesinnetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread Bryan Lawrence
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 15:45:17 Lowry, Roy K wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Establishing on-line metadata resources with permanence is the name of my > game. If I didn't have confidence it would be around in 15 years I wouldn't > be promoting it. My job is to persist data indefinitely, and I'm relyin

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag valuesinnetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread martin.juckes
Hello Ed, To Roy's comment I'll add that I would like to complement in-file metadata with additional online info, not replace it. E.g. for the tag NT0908 I have a name "Paraná flooded savanna" which can go in the file, but there is a web page giving the full characterisation of what is meant by

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag valuesinnetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread John Graybeal
This is a matter of philosophy and practice, I imagine. One of the reasons I recommend semantic URIs is that the URI represents a clue, if by some chance the web is not available or the information is not served at that URI any more. I think some semantic description should be included in

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag valuesinnetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread Lowry, Roy K
Hi Ed, Establishing on-line metadata resources with permanence is the name of my game. If I didn't have confidence it would be around in 15 years I wouldn't be promoting it. Cheers, Roy. -Original Message- From: Ed Hartnett [mailto:e...@unidata.ucar.edu] Sent: 27 October 2009 15:37 T

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag valuesinnetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread Ed Hartnett
writes: > Hello Roy, > > That is an interesting idea. There are definitions of these areas on a WWF > site, of the form > http://www.worldwildlife.org/wildworld/profiles/terrestrial/nt/nt0908_full.html > where "nt0908" is a tag associated with a particular flag value. > > My first thought was:

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag values innetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread Lowry, Roy K
Hi John, Yes, there is a URL of the form: http://vocab.ndg.nerc.ac.uk/list/GGS1/current/ that returns all the flags (currently only three as we have yet to fully populate the vocabulary). Note the term 'current' in the URL. This specifies that the current version should be served. However,

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag values innetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread John Caron
Lowry, Roy K wrote: Hello Martin, There is another possible solution to your problem, which we are looking at for dealing with a data source flag to be used with the GEBCO bathymetric grid. This is to put a URI base into an attribute that when concatenated with a flag values gives the flag d

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag values innetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread John Caron
martin.juc...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Thanks for the responses. Seth is right, I was looking for an alternative to having a gigantic "flag_meanings" attribute. I have tried Seth's approach, but can’t get it past the cf-checker. There appears to be a character set restriction: I can get the first 5

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag valuesinnetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread Lowry, Roy K
Hi Martin, Building another server might not be the best use of resources. I'm always happy to extend the content I serve. Cheers, Roy. -Original Message- From: martin.juc...@stfc.ac.uk [mailto:martin.juc...@stfc.ac.uk] Sent: 27 October 2009 12:30 To: Lowry, Roy K; cf-metadata@cgd.uca

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag valuesinnetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread martin.juckes
Hello Roy, That is an interesting idea. There are definitions of these areas on a WWF site, of the form http://www.worldwildlife.org/wildworld/profiles/terrestrial/nt/nt0908_full.html where "nt0908" is a tag associated with a particular flag value. My first thought was: URI=" http://www.world

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag values innetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread Lowry, Roy K
Hello Martin, There is another possible solution to your problem, which we are looking at for dealing with a data source flag to be used with the GEBCO bathymetric grid. This is to put a URI base into an attribute that when concatenated with a flag values gives the flag definition from a vocab

Re: [CF-metadata] Dealing with large numbers of flag values innetcdf cf

2009-10-27 Thread martin.juckes
Thanks for the responses. Seth is right, I was looking for an alternative to having a gigantic "flag_meanings" attribute. I have tried Seth's approach, but can’t get it past the cf-checker. There appears to be a character set restriction: I can get the first 547 flag_meaning strings accepted

Re: [CF-metadata] Sea water transparency and reflectance.

2009-10-27 Thread olivier lauret
Hi Frederic, Thank you for your input. Yes there is already a reflectance quantity in CF, but it is the TOA one. Anyway to me the definition of reflectance in general is probably broader than in your needs, then I think introducing "ratio_of_upwelling_radiance_emerging_from_sea_water_to_down