Re: [CF-metadata] More background on the burned area (Jonathan Gregory)

2011-07-26 Thread Schultz, Martin
Jonathan, Kevin, I don't think that it is necessary to further qualify "burned_area". If you do an internet search for this term you always come up with hits related to "wildfire" which would suggest that there is little ambiguity in this term. I propose to add the vegetation fire relations

Re: [CF-metadata] CF feature type trajectory (Ch. 9; May 10, 2011) and axis, attribute

2011-07-26 Thread Jeffrey F. Painter
I added Ticket 62 to my to-do list for CF 1.6. This is a bit unusual in that the ticket has no moderator. So if there are no objections, I'll close the ticket and implement the wording which Jonathan proposed on the Trac system on 12/23/10. I was wrong when I said there were examples witho

Re: [CF-metadata] CF feature type trajectory (Ch. 9; May 10, 2011) and axis, attribute

2011-07-26 Thread Jeffrey F. Painter
I'll include Ticket 62 with CF-1.6. The Chapter 9 examples are Appendix H, now available in the public draft of CF 1.6. At the moment I don't remember what's in them! - Jeff On 7/26/11 2:13 PM, Chris Paver wrote: Hey John, Thanks for the info. Jonathan Gregory stated that this fix would rol

Re: [CF-metadata] CF feature type trajectory (Ch. 9; May 10, 2011) and axis, attribute

2011-07-26 Thread Chris Paver
Hey John, Thanks for the info. Jonathan Gregory stated that this fix would roll out with CF-1.6; is that still correct? What will the Chapter 9 examples look like then? Will any requirements based on feature types be addressed for the axis attribute? Thanks, Chris On 07/25/2011 12:51 PM,

Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names

2011-07-26 Thread Trevor.Mcdougall
A couple of quick comments following on from Jonathan's post. (1) I know of at least 6 pre-TEOS-10 expressions for density used in models, with authors like Fofonoff & Millard, Cox, Wright, Jackett & McDougall, McDougall et al. Jackett e

Re: [CF-metadata] standard names and area type for ice sheet surface mass balance

2011-07-26 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Alison Re: land_ice_surface_specific_mass_balance_flux (kg m-2 s-1) "When entering the third name into the vocabulary editor I noticed that it is very similar to an existing name land_ice_surface_specific_mass_balance (m s-1). The definition of the existing name says "Specific mass balance m

Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names

2011-07-26 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear all I understand the need to be clear, with new standard names, which observational quantity is being collected in future. I do not agree, however, that we should make the plain "salinity" name an alias for something more precise. This is partly because that might change the meaning of existi

Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names:- reply to two emails.

2011-07-26 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Hi Trevor, As one who has worked in a data centre for a long time I can tell you that the transition to Practical Salinity was nowhere near as clean as you imply. The 1978 Equations of State weren't published by UNESCO until 1982 or 1983 and it took some people a long while to latch on (I reme

Re: [CF-metadata] the need to store lat/lon coordinates in a CF metadata compliant netCDF file

2011-07-26 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear all For datasets which are intended for analysis by end-users I think it would be undesirable to remove the requirement of providing explicit lat and lon coords even if a grid_mapping is provided. I think it is unrealistic to expect all software which someone might use to analyse netCDF files

Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names

2011-07-26 Thread Trevor.Mcdougall
Hello Jonathon, The use of the word "preformed" in "Preformed Salinity" is the same use as in "preformed nitrate", NO, and "preformed phosphate" PO. The idea is to recover the conservative variable that would be present if there were no biogeochemistry. The methods that we use probably sub

Re: [CF-metadata] More background on the burned area

2011-07-26 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Kevin burned_area and burned_area_fraction would be OK as standard names, I think, but I would tend to agree with your suggestion that vegetation could also be mentioned somehow, in order to make the standard_name more self-explanatory when in the context of a dataset that might contain many

Re: [CF-metadata] Units: degrees - COARDS/CF Convention

2011-07-26 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Glenn I too agree with your interpretation. COARDS and CF disallow degree for lat and lon, but degree is allowed for some other quantities in the standard name table e.g. grid_latitude and grid_longitude (for a rotated-pole system) have units of degree. I agree with Roy that quantities which

Re: [CF-metadata] CF feature type trajectory (Ch. 9; May 10, 2011) and axis, attribute

2011-07-26 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Chris, Jeff, Steve, John > > > It seems to me that z in the examples of Appendix H (formerly > > > designated A9) plays the role of an auxiliary coordinate variable, > > > although technically it's not because there isn't (but should be) a > > > 'coordinates' attribute which lists auxiliary c

Re: [CF-metadata] COARDS - "positive" attribute

2011-07-26 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Glenn The positive attribute hasn't been extended to data variables in CF because the standard name always implies the sign convention e.g. toa_net_downward_longwave_flux toa_net_upward_shortwave_flux The advantage of doing it is this way is that it is impossible for the sign convention t

Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names

2011-07-26 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear all I agree with Roy in his remark that "the existing salinity Standard Name is a much broader term than the TEOS-10 recommendations". In some datasets, it may not be well-defined precisely which "kind" of salinity we have. This is particularly the case for model datasets, since most ocean mo

Re: [CF-metadata] CF feature type trajectory (Ch. 9; May 10, 2011) and axis, attribute

2011-07-26 Thread John Caron
Hi Chris: I think we agreed that this sentence in section 5 should be removed: The|axis|attribute is not allowed for auxiliary coordinate variables. If anyone has a better idea, let me know. otherwise i will submit a defect change. John On 7/20/2011 7:51 AM, Chris Paver wrote: Dear list,

Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names:- reply to two emails.

2011-07-26 Thread Trevor.Mcdougall
Hello Nan, You make an excellent point. The version number of the software than converts Practical Salinity to Absolute Salinity should be included as metadata. The present version number of the GSW software is version 3.0. The TEOS-10 Manual says that oceanographers should state the vers

Re: [CF-metadata] standard names and area type for ice sheet surface mass balance

2011-07-26 Thread alison.pamment
Dear Jonathan, Back in February you proposed three new names for ice sheet mass balance: > > surface_snow_and_ice_melt_flux (kg m-2 s-1): the mass flux of melting > at the > surface > > surface_snow_and_ice_refreezing_flux (kg m-2 s-1): the mass flux of > surface > meltwater which refreezes wit

Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names:- reply to two emails.

2011-07-26 Thread Nan Galbraith
Thank you, Roy, especially for reminding us of the recommendation that data centers store practical salinity. We are following that recommendation in the oceansites project, as is every other project that keeps observational data - as far as I know. S_P is closer to the measured variables (C,T,

Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names:- reply to two emails.

2011-07-26 Thread Trevor.Mcdougall
Two replies follow, first to Karl Taylor, then to Roy Lowrie. Hello Karl, (1) "potential temperature" is what it always was, namely the temperature of a seawater parcel after an adiabatic and isohaline change of pressure to p = 0 dbar. (2) "Conservative Temperature" is proportional to