Re: [CF-metadata] NetCDF (and CF) Uncertainty Conventions discussion list

2012-12-17 Thread Mike Grant
On 12/12/2012 11:06 PM, Steve Hankin wrote: the topic of how to encode uncertainties is opening up within OGC in the attached email. The work under discussion here builds on CF 1.5 as a normative standard and contains a CF 1.5 data model in UML (Figure 1). At a glance it is apparent that

[CF-metadata] calendar-based units of time

2012-12-17 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear John I have prototyped similar functionality in the CDM, documented here: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/CDM/CalendarDateTime.html Thanks for this. I recall the earlier discussion and I think what you have implemented would be a good extension to CF, namely * Optional

Re: [CF-metadata] CF calendars (was: problem with times in PSD dataset)

2012-12-17 Thread Cathy Smith (NOAA Affiliate)
Cecelia I support 1) mostly for backward compatibility. I would also strongly encourage but not demand that users change their base dates to after 1800 when it makes sense to do so. And, I (again) want to make sure that LTMs and their time values are addressed before any decisions are made as to

Re: [CF-metadata] calendar-based units of time

2012-12-17 Thread John Caron
Hi Jonathan: On 12/17/2012 10:51 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote: Dear John I have prototyped similar functionality in the CDM, documented here: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf-java/CDM/CalendarDateTime.html Thanks for this. I recall the earlier discussion and I think what you have

[CF-metadata] mixed Julian-Gregorian calendar

2012-12-17 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Steve This isn't the central issue, but I wonder if I have missed your point. I agree that there is a gap in the legal dates in the real-world mixed Julian- Gregorian calendar, but this is just an inconvenient problem of translation, isn't it? There is no discontinuity in real-world time!

Re: [CF-metadata] mixed Julian-Gregorian calendar

2012-12-17 Thread Steve Hankin
On 12/17/2012 10:22 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote: Dear Steve This isn't the central issue, but I wonder if I have missed your point. I agree that there is a gap in the legal dates in the real-world mixed Julian- Gregorian calendar, but this is just an inconvenient problem of translation, isn't

Re: [CF-metadata] CF calendars (was: problem with times in PSD dataset)

2012-12-17 Thread Cathy Smith (NOAA Affiliate)
Cecelia I think a solution shouldn't break current files which followed what had been a standard for a long time (however ill-advised the standard was). I don't have a good sense of what might break if the standard changed in terms of software so I can' speak for all users but I do know many

Re: [CF-metadata] CF calendars (was: problem with times in PSD dataset)

2012-12-17 Thread Chris Barker - NOAA Federal
I think a solution shouldn't break current files which followed what had been a standard for a long time (however ill-advised the standard was). I don't have a good sense of what might break if the standard changed in terms of software so I can' speak for all users but I do know many people

Re: [CF-metadata] CF calendars (was: problem with times in PSD dataset)

2012-12-17 Thread John Caron
Hi Cathy: I think that you are using backwards compatible in a different way. The current proposal(s) would not change files that are written with :Conventions=CF-1.x, where x = 6. Files with x 6 could still use the (ill-advised) old way if they want to, by putting an explicit calendar

Re: [CF-metadata] CF calendars (was: problem with times in PSD dataset)

2012-12-17 Thread John Caron
Hi Chris: On 12/17/2012 4:50 PM, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal wrote: I think a solution shouldn't break current files which followed what had been a standard for a long time (however ill-advised the standard was). I don't have a good sense of what might break if the standard changed in terms of