Re: [CF-metadata] CF Conventions and netCDF-4 enhanced model

2014-09-11 Thread John Caron
Hi Timothy: From my POV, groups are a way to, um, group things (variables, coord systems, etc) together. They should be used for the same reason we use directories in a file system, to prevent a big mess of things in one namespace. On the surface, your layout above seems reasonable for those

Re: [CF-metadata] Daily mean temperature

2014-09-11 Thread Hollis, Dan
Hi Karl, Thanks for your suggestions. The complicating factor is that, as a result of crediting the maximum temperature to the previous day (but crediting the minimum temperature to the current day), the mean temperature is actually the average of values from two *different* 24-hour periods.

Re: [CF-metadata] Return periods

2014-09-11 Thread Hollis, Dan
Hi Jonathan, Following our brief chat earlier this week I think I have a better understanding of the right way to tackle this. For the record here are the key points: As described previously, the probability is a conversion of the precipitation amount. To store both quantities _could_ be seen

[CF-metadata] downward_air_velocity

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Ken I would like to propose a new standard_name to complement upward_air_velocity. upward_air_velocity uses positive values to indicate upward direction, but we have many instrument that use a convention of positive values to indicate downward direction. Can we clone

Re: [CF-metadata] CF Conventions and netCDF-4 enhanced model

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear John I am willing to take part in such discussions. I would generally prefer not to avoid backward incompatibility but I agree there are some deprecated things which it might be time to remove, and there are some optional things we might choose to make mandatory. But we should be cautious

Re: [CF-metadata] downward_air_velocity

2014-09-11 Thread Jim Biard
Seems a shame that this wasn't originally handled with a standard name of 'vertical_air_velocity' (or some such) that required a 'positive' attribute. Both upward and downward could be covered with no confusion. On 9/11/14, 11:52 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote: Dear Ken I would like to propose

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: number_of_days_with_surface_temperature_below_threshold

2014-09-11 Thread Hollis, Dan
Hi Alison, Jonathan, all I was discussing this request with some colleagues yesterday and someone asked how 'surface' was defined. The definition for 'surface_temperature' simply says: The surface called surface means the lower boundary of the atmosphere. The surface temperature is the

Re: [CF-metadata] CF Conventions and netCDF-4 enhanced model

2014-09-11 Thread Jim Biard
Jonathan, I think the point of CF 2.x would be to openly embrace new netCDF features, and if strong backward compatibility would make it awkward, then backward compatibility would lose. CF 1.x could continue to evolve along side it. CF 2.x would be a refactoring that took new features and

Re: [CF-metadata] downward_air_velocity

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Jim Seems a shame that this wasn't originally handled with a standard name of 'vertical_air_velocity' (or some such) that required a 'positive' attribute. Both upward and downward could be covered with no confusion. If it was a separate attribute, it could be omitted, and probably

[CF-metadata] CF Conventions and netCDF-4 enhanced model

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Jim I think the point of CF 2.x would be to openly embrace new netCDF features, and if strong backward compatibility would make it awkward, then backward compatibility would lose. CF 1.x could continue to evolve along side it. CF 2.x would be a refactoring that took new features and

[CF-metadata] New standard name: number_of_days_with_surface_temperature_below_threshold

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Dan The surface type can be described by using a coordinate or scalar coordinate variable with a standard_name of area_type. You may need to request new area types. This is a controlled CF vocabulary, like the standard names. I can only find the area type table in XML on the new CF website.

Re: [CF-metadata] Daily mean temperature

2014-09-11 Thread Karl Taylor
o.k. my premise was wrong. I thought the daily mean was computed as the mean of the max and min taken from the same 24-hour period. Karl On 9/11/14, 7:59 AM, Hollis, Dan wrote: Hi Karl, Thanks for your suggestions. The complicating factor is that, as a result of crediting the maximum

Re: [CF-metadata] Return periods

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Dan Given that cumulative probabilities may be of general interest to other users, would it be helpful to add X_converted_to_cumulative_probability to the list of transformations in the Guidelines for Standard Names? Yes, if this standard name is agreed. Given that the meaning of