Re: [CF-metadata] flux

2015-06-03 Thread alison.pamment
Dear All, I vote no to the suggestion that we should change 'flux' to 'flux_density' in all the existing names. I am always keen that we correct factual errors and remove ambiguities - the recent discussions on photosynthetic wavelengths and practical salinity units are two examples of that. H

Re: [CF-metadata] How to define time coordinate in GPS?

2015-06-03 Thread Jim Biard
Jonathan, I've got to disagree with you about your second and third responses below. The calendar only specifies how the reference date and time are to be interpreted. It says nothing about either the time variable values or the decoding that should be used to turn those elapsed time values i

Re: [CF-metadata] How to define time coordinate in GPS?

2015-06-03 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Chris > While not happy, would you agree to introduce gregorian_utc, gregorian_gps, > gregorian_nls, define gregorian = gregorian_nls and deprecate it? > > seems reasonable to me. Good. > > I think we > > should omit gregorian_tai (although it's been instructive to discuss it) > > since it

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: Salinity units

2015-06-03 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Hi Jim, I think you and Dan are trying to apply logic to set of conventions that a domain developed to get out of a mess caused by loose labelling conventions in the past. 'Old salinity' units are described as part per thousand, which is represented by the notation '0.001'. What this actually

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name requests for TSI and SSI

2015-06-03 Thread Timothy Patterson
Thanks for the clarification, Jonathan. Now I see why I had trouble understanding a few of the entries in the CF standard names table. If I treat them as coordinate variables instead of measured quantities, they make sense. Regards, Tim -Original Message- From: CF-metadata [mailto:c

Re: [CF-metadata] Salinity units

2015-06-03 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear all The bulk of archived CF-netCDF salinity data is probably the vast amounts of CMIP ocean model data, so I don't think we can reinterpret what this means more precisely, since models differ in which equations of state they use. Thus sea_surface_salinity and sea_water_salinity are deliberate

[CF-metadata] relative humidity units

2015-06-03 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Nan > >>If one checks the standard names in CF, *relative_humidity* has > >>canonical units '1' > >> > >I can't find any documentation for why this isn't 'percent'. Unlike > >practical salinity, I think there's general acceptance, within the > >relevant science disciplines, that relative humi

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name requests for TSI and SSI

2015-06-03 Thread Jim Biard
+1 On 6/3/15 9:12 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote: Dear Tim Just a quick comment on the proposed standard name distance_from_sun (m) It seems ambiguous to me, as a distance implies a measurement between two points, and this specifies only one. In this case, the other point is the place

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name requests for TSI and SSI

2015-06-03 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Tim > Just a quick comment on the proposed standard name > >distance_from_sun (m) > > It seems ambiguous to me, as a distance implies a measurement between two > points, and this specifies only one. In this case, the other point is the place where the measurement applies, so the

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: Salinity units

2015-06-03 Thread Jim Biard
Hi. I'm with Dan on this. I'm also feeling more and more confused by what everyone thinks units of '0.001' is supposed to mean. A number of the people writing on this topic appear to be asserting that this is some sort of dimensional unit. Neither 1, 0.001, nor percent are dimensional units,

Re: [CF-metadata] Are cell_methods attributes OK for coordinate variables?

2015-06-03 Thread Jim Biard
Charlie, The way I have come to view coordinate variables vs auxiliary coordinate variables based on discussions with this group is that "true" coordinate variables should be considered as quite close to just that - abstract mathematical axes. Certainly in the majority of cases where spatio-t

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: Salinity units

2015-06-03 Thread Hollis, Dan
Hi all, I'm not a user of salinity data, nor am I an expert on CF. However my impression of this discussion is that the problem lies with the fact that the canonical units appear to be used to represent two different properties i.e. the dimensions and the units. I would say that there are two

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: Salinity units

2015-06-03 Thread John Helly
Late to the party. TEOS-10 suggests that archival should be PSS and then that is converted (using TEOS-10) to Absolute Salinity (Sa) for thermo calculations. J. On 6/2/15 9:23 PM, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: > Hi Craig, > > Supports having the units for sea surface salinity as 0.001. I certainly > don'

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: Salinity units

2015-06-03 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Hi Craig, Supports having the units for sea surface salinity as 0.001. I certainly don't want sea surface salinity to default to Practical Salinity. Cheers, Roy. -Original Message- From: Craig Donlon [mailto:craig.don...@esa.int] Sent: 03 June 2015 08:19 To: Lowry, Roy K. Cc: cf-metada

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: Salinity units

2015-06-03 Thread Craig Donlon
Roy We have 3 satellites measuring sea surface salinity so we need to be a bit careful here. I believe guidance from CF for his variable will help standardise the approach space agencies and projects are taking. Certainly not PSU!! All the best Craig -- *** Sent from my iPhone *** -- Dr Crai

[CF-metadata] FW: Salinity units

2015-06-03 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Dear All, As I suspected, the message below indicates a preference by the physical oceanographers involved in TEOS-10 to use 0.001 for 'older style' salinities. This works for me. All we need to do is to prevent semi-intelligent (dumb?) data aggregation systems doing automatic units harmonisati