I'm trying to figure out how to go about searching through a directory of
mp3 files I have in a shared hosting environment so no verity. The search
criteria would be passed via a form variable, so, I'm wondering if it's
possible to use cfdirectory list and maybe dump the results into an array,
What are your search criteria? Filename, ID3?
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Hi,
I recently changed servers to a windows 2003, IIS 6 and CF MX7. Since doing
this I've been having problems with a few different things, one in particular
is the coldfusion form validation
I have this simple example:
html
head
titleTest form/title
meta http-equiv=Content-Type
Well since you qould try to use verity and verity does not index mp3
files for their content, I assume you are just looking for a filename.
So what you can do is (assuming you have cfmx7):
cfdirectory action=LIST directory=D:\multimedia name=qryResult
filter=*.mp3 recurse=Yes
cfquery
I disagree with this in this market.
Railo could go open-source, but it wouldn't make much difference
apart from perception.
This community (I am sorry if I offend anybody) doesn't have the
number of people that can program in Java yet. I have had a few
people offer to help with CFEclipse
I am sending mail from CF to the IIS SMTP service but it is all getting
stuck in the IIS Queue folder, does anyone have any idea why the server may
not be sending it?
--
James Smith - IT Director
uWish Ltd - http://www.uWish.co.uk
Mark, you are absolutely right. That was my point. The only thing that's
different when going open source is the fact that it is open source. And
of course intersted competitors could go and peek in our code.
A lot of projects who went open source were no longer payed attention
to. And we
On 2/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Rick, wow, is this just for backup purposes? What an odd process for DB
replication!
No, our mainframe experiences several hours of downtime at night (like from
2-5am). It could run 24/7 but nobody in OIT wants to do that. Plus,
To add actionscript to a flash form you just need:
cfformitem type=script
AS code goes here ...
/cfformitem
This will be inside your cfform format=flash ...
Teddy
On 2/8/07, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Javascript can't do it, but actionscript can. Unfortunately, I can't
Will be filename...or something like it.
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Need help searching for files in a directory
What are your search criteria? Filename, ID3?
This
Thanks Gert!! I knew it would be something relatively simple, but at 4AM
things just don't always fall into place ;-) Now that I've had some sleep,
it's off to come up with more things to ponder.
Bob
-Original Message-
From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February
I am trying to upload a text file using CF, but I get the following error.
The MIME type of the uploaded file text/plain was not accepted by the
server.
My coldfusion is running on Unix platform.
The code which I m usiing is as follows:-
!--- Windows Example ---
!--- Check to see if the Form
I have a little search function that is directly below the main menu that does
not look right in NS (Nested divs). I have tested in IE and everything seems
fine. Any suggestions? You can see the differences by going here.
http://72.174.248.16/totallyclassified/index.cfm
CODE:
cfoutput
div
Sounds like you need set permissions ... Take a peek at:
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/tags-p35.htm#wp354009
1 this should get you there.
Bob
-Original Message-
From: hussain shaikh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
All,
What's a good salary range for an active developer that also manages a cf team?
I know there's been long threads in the past discussing average salaries of cf
developers
based on number of years experience and location. However, here's a fun topic.
What
about if your Marketing or IT boss
From my limited knowledge of the salaries that are being offered to
developers in my area, I'd say those numbers you quoted match fairly
well. For someone managing a team of CF developers, look towards the
high range of the senior developer salary (85,000+).
Now, this is just what some would
Well, look at your ACCEPT attribute. You have it set to text/html, so
it won't accept any other MIME type. You need to add text/plain so
that list if you want to upload files of that type.
Steve Brownlee
http://www.fusioncube.net/
-Original Message-
From: hussain shaikh
I have never used cfgrid before, and I have followed the coldfusion mx 7
documentation examples, and I have read through some articles on the
macromedias developer community on using cfgrid but I am still having an issue.
I'm query test data, and would like to have it editable in the cfgrid.
Couple of stabs in the dark. You might change your query name and/or
cfgrid name. Both of them are 'list', which might be causing a
conflict. Second, you should name the form. It's optional, but a lot
of JS stuff requires it (there's a lot of background JS in cfforms).
Third, there's an option
I just shared that link with my boss.
Sadly, 9 years of coldfusion experience with recent flex and flash
programming, plus all theo ther crap I do that isn't my PRIMARY
responsibility (sql server dba, windows and linux sys admin, etc)...
I'm at the very bottom of the listed salary scale for
Couple of stabs in the dark. You might change your query name and/or
cfgrid name. Both of them are 'list', which might be causing a
conflict. Second, you should name the form. It's optional, but a lot
of JS stuff requires it (there's a lot of background JS in cfforms).
Third, there's an option
Oops, I don't know why I didn't see this before...you need to add your
columns using cfgridcolumn.
http://cfquickdocs.com/?getDoc=cfgridcolumn
They go between your cfgrid tags.
On 2/9/07, Michael Beins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Couple of stabs in the dark. You might change your query name and/or
Oops, I don't know why I didn't see this before...you need to add your
columns using cfgridcolumn.
http://cfquickdocs.com/?getDoc=cfgridcolumn
They go between your cfgrid tags.
On 2/9/07, Michael Beins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Technically you don't you have to. If you specify just the query
Technically you don't you have to. If you specify just the query attribute
in the cfgrid tag, and no cfgridcolumns it defaults to creating a column for
column in the result set of the query.
Hmm, didn't know that. Still stabbing in the dark...maybe you need to
select real columns in your
Here is what I used
cfscript
context = getPageContext();
context.setFlushOutput(false);
response = context.getResponse().getResponse();
out = response.getOutputStream();
response.setContentType(application/pdf);
response.setContentLength(arrayLen(#docLite2#));
out.write(#docLite2#);
out.flush();
On 2/9/07, Torrent Girl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is what I used
cfscript
context = getPageContext();
context.setFlushOutput(false);
response = context.getResponse().getResponse();
out = response.getOutputStream();
response.setContentType(application/pdf);
Any chance you checked the logs to see the full error? This normally spells
it out right away...
!k
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From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF and Flash Remoting
OK, I'm banging my head against
At least you're at the bottom, I'm in the sub basement
Cutter
Rick Root wrote:
I just shared that link with my boss.
Sadly, 9 years of coldfusion experience with recent flex and flash
programming, plus all theo ther crap I do that isn't my PRIMARY
responsibility (sql server dba, windows
I'm seeing the exact same error in the flash.log, but nothing whatsoever
in the exception, application, or server logs.
Cutter
Kevin Aebig wrote:
Any chance you checked the logs to see the full error? This normally spells
it out right away...
!k
-Original Message-
From: Cutter
I'm trying to validate some namespace-aware XML with corresponding
schemas and xmlValidate refuses to confirm validity. Using Xerces
(what underlies CF) directly does validate correctly. I'm using CF
7,0,2,142559. Anyone run into this before? Google's turned up little
to nothing.
I've posted
I have a cfc that processes form data, if the user chose Test it will just
hit the local cfc and do the data add/edit. But if they chose Live I want
to call the same cfc on a remote server as a ws and post the form data
there.
So I'm trying to pass an argumentcollection to the webservice like
Technically you don't you have to. If you specify just the query attribute
in the cfgrid tag, and no cfgridcolumns it defaults to creating a column for
column in the result set of the query.
Hmm, didn't know that. Still stabbing in the dark...maybe you need to
select real columns in your
LabView (name of the form that was submitted)
What do you mean by this phrase? If you mean that you have something like this
on the form page form name=LabView, this does not apply on the action page.
On the action page the form values are always in a structure named form and
I would do
Try this event handler:
cfformitem type=script
function goto_login():void {
username.setfocus();
}
!--- other AS code goes here ---
/cfformitem
I have built a few Flash Forms, and I would like to use the below code
to have the cursor flash in the first form field. Is this
possible...or
This was the form that we are processing.
form action=#myself##XFA.postLabView# method=post name=labView
id=labView...
On 2/9/07, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LabView (name of the form that was submitted)
What do you mean by this phrase? If you mean that you have something like
this
Oh crap! You are right. I was used to using that while IN the cfc because I
named the argument LabView. Thanks.
Greg
On 2/9/07, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LabView (name of the form that was submitted)
What do you mean by this phrase? If you mean that you have something like
this
OK, upon further review, I AM inside the CFC with an argument calling the
form LabView. So I think I have to call the form object LabView.
Then while in this CFC if they chose Test I just do the data manipulation
with cfquery, if they chose Live I'm trying to hit the remote server via
the
I'm sorry, but Actionscript is case sensitive:
username.setFocus();
Try this event handler:
cfformitem type=script
function goto_login():void {
username.setfocus();
}
!--- other AS code goes here ---
/cfformitem
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OK, upon further review, I AM inside the CFC with an argument calling the form
LabView. So I think I have to call the form object LabView.
I think you don't want to use argument collection. A quick once over of your
code says to me that you want to pass an entire structure to a single
I have some mp3 files and word docs setup and displayed using cfdirectory
list, everything displays fine and the whole right-click thing works
well on PC, although, I got the following message from a friend who is on a
Mac. If someone out there on a Mac would be so kind as to check these issues
Fusebox is going to get a facelift and we need your help.
Things are really starting to happen within Team Fusebox and one of the main
goals is to start off fresh with a new and improved website. New content,
new everything. Including a new look. Since for the most part, we are
programmers and
I'm supporting some CF code and need to check something..
if you have 2 variables
session.foo
and url.foo
and in a query you have
select #foo# from table
where blah = 1
which scope takes precedence?
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in this case i'm sure it'd be URL, since session variables require a
scope (they aren't hunted).
On 2/9/07, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm supporting some CF code and need to check something..
if you have 2 variables
session.foo
and url.foo
and in a query you have
select #foo#
I think neither -
#foo# is like #variables.foo# so it won't look in the url or the session
scope, and if foo is not defined in the variables scope anywhere it will
fail with Variable foo is not defined.
At least that's how I think it SHOULD work. Could be wrong though.
-- Josh
-
Greg Morphis wrote:
which scope takes precedence?
The Fine Manual has a discussion of unscoped variables that includes the
complete search order:
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/0914.htm
Sixten
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Since for the most part, we are programmers and not designers, we need your
help.
Wait a minute...I know you are a CF programmer too, Sandra, but I've
always thought you were the best designer in our community! What do
you mean you're not a designer? Or is that for the most part
comment
Hi-
I am not a proficient CF programmer, just got pushed into it. I need to add up
fields brought in from a sql statement, various totals from different columns,
and output them along with the individual column totals. Is there any way at
all I can do this? I bet this sounds amatuer and
this is kinda funny to me
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/current-style.cfm
on that page, read what year they talk about being the best
for design :(
how can a site DEDICATED to cool design, be OUT OF DATE???
:) sorry, it just struck me as comical.
tw
On 2/9/07, Jacob Munson [EMAIL
Ah, I forget CF is nice and will do the work for you.
- Original Message -
From: Sixten Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: what scope type takes precedence?
Greg Morphis wrote:
which scope takes precedence?
Just wanted to follow up on this thread. We thought we had this issue solved,
but it cropped up again. This time, we logged a certain variable and this is
what we found:
cfset VARIABLES.currentTemplate = getfilefrompath(LCase(cgi.path_translated))
/
Recording VARIABLES.currentTemplate showed
With respect to the organizers of this contest, to Fusebox, and to you
Sandra...this is a poor idea.
This is basically asking people to work for free, with only a chance of the
possibility of winning the contest. It's called Spec Work and it's a bad
practice.
Would any of the programmers on this
I'm not a designer. I can do radical CSS from an already designed layout,
but I don't do well coming up with concepts.
Sandra Clark
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-Original Message-
From: Jacob Munson
Way way way back in the beginning of fusebox I helped with the first site.
I was just searching around for a copy of it, but alas it is no longer.
However archive.org has a cache of it.
http://web.archive.org/web/19990125095504/http://www.fusebox.org/
Kind of fun to look through now and see how
You'd probably have to be a bit more specific to get real solid answers.
You can, for example, treat a query like an array and sum a column.
cfset mytotal = arraysum(myquery[mycolumn])
You can sum row data across columsn
cfset mytotal = myquery.mycolumn[1] + myquery.myothercolumn[1]
If you can
I disagree.
If someone wants to help, show the world what they can do, or whatever
their reasoning why not? It's no different than a photo contest, art
contest or the contest Ray Camden runs occasionally for showing off what
you can do with your programing skills.
It's a contest with prizes
I understand that...but THOSE contests are bad practices as well.
If you WANT to work for free then by all means you should do so. If you
believe in supporting the Fusebox group and their excellent codebase then
you should ALSO do so. But putting out a contest, asking people to work for
free is a
This is basically asking people to work for free, with only a chance of the
possibility of winning the contest. It's called Spec Work and it's a bad
practice.
Actually, it's a community open source project and everyone involved
contributes their time, ideas and code (and in this case graphic
On 2/9/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I understand that...but THOSE contests are bad practices as well.
If you WANT to work for free then by all means you should do so. If you
believe in supporting the Fusebox group and their excellent codebase then
you should ALSO do so. But
Hi Bob,
If someone out there on a Mac would be so kind as to check these issues
for me, I would actually take the weekend off ;-)
No problems for me, in either Firefox or Safari. I don't have IE for the
Mac, so I don't know what would happen there.
There's no reason to right-click anything.
Andy, there are some good responses here already, but I'd like to add
my two cents as well.
First off - I am not an open source zealot. There are folks who would
rather die then use commercial software, even if it saves then
hundreds of hours of development time. I think that is plain stupid.
You've never won a contest, have you?
The mere fact you posted here would lead one to believe you frequent these
lists to elicit or supply help to others. The fact that you do this
devalues any help you may seek, or others offer, elsewhere, and I think you
should stop it.
I think this contest,
Ray...
Please don't take my comments earlier to mean that I was talking about your
contenst. Heck, I entered your Blackjack contest and won a WACK book. But I
didn't care about the prize...I just wanted to try my hand at a coding
challenge. I ended up winning, but more importantly (and one of the
I assumed your comment:
I understand that...but THOSE contests are bad practices as well.
was in response to:
It's no different than a photo contest, art
contest or the contest Ray Camden runs occasionally for showing off what
you can do with your programing skills.
So even if you thought it
Actually, I've won plenty of contests, one of them put on by Ray (the
Blackjack contest). I've also won design contests and logo contests
sponsored by Sitepoint. But that was before I realized what people were
really asking for.
People place such little value on design that they think it's
On 2/9/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm simply saying that this contest devalues the overall work product
because it expects that people would be willing to work towards a prize that
they might not win.
And thus far, the overwhelming majority has disagreed with you.
You don't
That's fine. I'm not going to quit the list because someone disagrees with
me. It's Sandra's choice to offer the contest and it's the community's
choice to enter.
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
One last thing.
Since most of you disagree with me (and that's totally fine), at what point
do YOU think it's a bad idea? Just a few days ago, someone was asking for a
really elaborate piece of coding for a site and people thought that was
ridiculous that someone would ask that.
In what way is
even if it saves then
hundreds of hours of development time. I think that is plain stupid.
I would even add that it does not help developers because it constitutes
an unfair competition
and prevents others from offering a better commercial product.
In that sense, it can be seen as a betrayal
I'm simply saying that this contest devalues the overall work product
because it expects that people would be willing to work towards a prize that
they might not win.
Hmm, and yet when companies put out for bids on design work, the applicants
will have to offer up designs for free in an attempt
On 2/9/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One last thing.
Since most of you disagree with me (and that's totally fine), at what point
do YOU think it's a bad idea? Just a few days ago, someone was asking for a
really elaborate piece of coding for a site and people thought that was
Since most of you disagree with me
I agree with you. In a contest, there is always something to win, but
when the only winner is the one who set up the contest, it is not a
contest, it's a rip-off ;-)
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OK, so don't look at it as a contest.
Look at it as a several people doing Pro Bono work where there is a
potential of getting rewarded for their time.
I have ZERO problem with Pro Bono work. Did you completely overlook my
last
post which said do it pro bono instead of entering a contest. I
I agree with you. In a contest, there is always something to win, but
when the only winner is the one who set up the contest, it is not a
contest, it's a rip-off ;-)
Couldn't that be said of EVERY contest?
I would agree with you ONLY if the one setting up the contest was a business
who
On 2/9/07, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since most of you disagree with me
I agree with you. In a contest, there is always something to win, but
when the only winner is the one who set up the contest, it is not a
contest, it's a rip-off ;-)
Please tell me this was not meant
Sean...
I have nothing against Fusebox at all. I think I've made that pretty clear.
I have respect for their product, even if I don't personally use it.
Your first paragraph though is the crux of the problem. Companies EXPECT
people to work for free to get a prize. That's wrong and it's
Since most of you disagree with me (and that's totally fine), at what point
do YOU think it's a bad idea?
I think it's a bad idea when the prize is commercial work (in other words,
companies asking for commercial design bids on spec is not great business for
anyone). If people are bidding on a
I agree with you. In a contest, there is always something to win, but
when the only winner is the one who set up the contest, it is not a
contest, it's a rip-off ;-)
And if the winner is an entire community of developers...?
Sean
If you're on an intranet, could you write the file to a common mapped drive
instead of downloading it at all?
-Original Message-
From: OÄuz Demirkapı [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Forcing a default directory on file download
Hi
On 2/9/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sean...
I have nothing against Fusebox at all. I think I've made that pretty clear.
I have respect for their product, even if I don't personally use it.
Your first paragraph though is the crux of the problem. Companies EXPECT
people to work
The problem with this contest is that people are being asked to contribute a
significat amount of time with no guarentee of winning. This isn't like
spending a dollar to enter the lottery. I budget a minimum of 20-30 hours of
my time with ANY design project.
-Original Message-
From: Scott
On 2/9/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem with this contest is that people are being asked to contribute a
significat amount of time with no guarentee of winning. This isn't like
spending a dollar to enter the lottery. I budget a minimum of 20-30 hours of
my time with ANY
I have nothing against Fusebox at all. I think I've made that pretty clear.
I have respect for their product, even if I don't personally use it.
Product?? Product???!?!? Is that how you see the community-created frameworks
and tools or was that perhaps just a bad choice of words?
Your first
Blah Blah Blah vs. blah blah blah = lots of blah blah blah
I would suggest maybe you shouldn't enter the contest. Just a thought.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox Web Site Design
Luckily, I'm not in charge of documentation, that is Nat, Patrick and Steve.
I'm only in charge of the Web site (with Brian Kotek), proofreading and
editing (with Brian Kotek) and fusedocs.
And yes, I'll be spending a great deal of time far in excess of 30 hours
doing this. But that is my
Here's another thought. I doubt the Fusebox folks would be paying anyone
for a site design, so you, and other designers, are not missing out on
anything.
On 2/9/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem with this contest is that people are being asked to contribute
a
significat
I just hope others that were thinking about contests don't pick this thread
up on google searches. I really feel contests like these help all who
participate
Eric
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You could probably do it with a signed activeX contol... but... eww!
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Andy and Claude,
I strongly urge you both to pursue other careers. More than likely, given
your vast understanding of business principles, your are most likely to
succeed in life if you move into government, and more specifically, business
legislature. After all, in a position like that, you'll
This is not a intranet project.
Thanks anyway.
We just decided to educate our client's clients with some demo videos or
a detailed documentation. :)
Dave Francis wrote:
If you're on an intranet, could you write the file to a common mapped drive
instead of downloading it at all?
Hell, if I had any design talent (which I unfortunately do not, and have
given up trying to acquire it), I'd enter the contest just to make sure my
name was published. That way I could be guaranteed that you would never
call me for work.
Anyone with *any* business sense at all knows that contests are an
*extremely* good marketing/growth tool. Only the completely id10Tic people
in this world can even consider the notion that contests are bad.
On 2/9/07, Eric Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just hope others that were
Hey Sandra,
I am not a designer but I will also try my best in my free time. :)
Thanks for your efforts, appreciate it!
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1. It is different because this is for an open source community project.
2. Who cares if it is different? If someone is willing to donate their
time to build an Ebay type application for free or provide a design for
a site then power to them. It is their time and their life.
3. It is my
I've read this thread over, start to finish...
Andy, I don't know how to tell you this, but you're a massive hypocrite.
Entering contests that you declare to be a bad idea and then rationalizing it?
Where are you standards, man? Where are your ethics?
I choose to believe that you're
Couldn't that be said of EVERY contest?
No, generally, in a contest, there is something to win.
It is a rip-off when the winner wins nothing.
but we are talking about a group of people who
dedicate a lot of their own time for the benefit of the community.
This is what they say. IMHO they
Anyone with *any* business sense at all knows that contests are an
*extremely* good marketing/growth tool.
I don't remember anyone ever said here that constests are bad.
The only issue is about contests where the only one who wins is the
one who set it up.
--
This is what they say. IMHO they don't give a dam the community, they
just do it for glory,
for the sensation of belonging to some group of nerds, or whatever.
Ah, Claude, you've figured out the cunning conspiracy... we don't give a dam
(sic) about you, it's true :)
I think what you meant to say was:
The only issue is that my panties are in a wad because I suck at what I do
and so I'm going to bitch and moan that these 'contests' aren't rigged to
benefit me.
On 2/9/07, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only issue is about contests where the
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