> Apples and oranges can be compared, but they're still not the same.
>
> Flash remoting comes with CFMX. It helps enable RIAs.
>
> .NET remoting is supposedly more on par with EJBs, enterprise-grade
> distributed computing. EJB support, btw, comes with CFMX Enterprise, as
> JRun is a full J2EE s
>
>>remoting~ comes with cfml built in even, does it with .net? no,
>
> Why would it come with .NET? Fast binary remoting comes with .NET.
Apples and oranges can be compared, but they're still not the same.
Flash remoting comes with CFMX. It helps enable RIAs.
.NET remoting is supposedly mo
> Arguments about shorter product development times, Blackstone
> etc. were reacted on with ".. ASP.NET is our future, we are
> done with Macromedia".
I don't know if you caught my response yesterday, but you may want to
investigate BlueDragon.NET, which will let you keep most or all of your
inv
> [quote]Well, actually, have you checked out ASP.NET
> 2.0[/quote] no not really and i wont until billy comes over
> and sucks a fart outta my azz and refunds me all the money
> hes ripped me off for! haha Luckily, i dont have to work for
> anyone, especially where'd i'd be in a position to ha
Those of us in IT can't just look at the technology anymore. We must
adopt a mgmt mindset. Like anything else, if there are more say MS/ or
Java/JSP or PHPor other developers than CF developers then it would
stand to reason that mgmt would prefer to look at a platform that has a
larger base. I thin
> sucks a fart outta my azz
> if u could pop out a turd with info in it
dave, do you have a particular infatuation with the anus? Might try
and find a more educated way of getting your point across. Never know
when someone uses the list to do research on you, and the things you
post now might com
Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you did not have a fighting chance and
their minds were made up before the meeting. Can't blame them about
the ill feelings regarding Spectra. In hind sight, it was a major
mistake made by Allaire, and it affected them everywhere, including
their earnings and stock v
LOL. Can I quote that to whoever answers the phone at Figleaf? It
was either you or Steve Drucker for one of the Flash classes I took,
but the other was from Branden Hall.
-joe
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:49:48 -0500, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dave's a smart guy and says good things
> Dave's a smart guy and says good things - I'd read them
> carefully instead of reacting brashly. I think I took a CF
> class from him once, but it may have been Flash.
Thanks for the compliment, but if you took a Flash class from me you should
seriously look into getting a refund!
Dave Watts
> and yeah i do use stupid words partly because i have to be
> prof all day and most of the time i dont feel to do it here as well.
This list has many readers. I actually think of it as a marketing tool.
> But im not like a lot of u who jump ship everytime the wind blows
> or u hear someone sa
> [quote]Well, actually, have you checked out ASP.NET 2.0[/quote]
> no not really and i wont until billy comes over and sucks a fart outta
> my azz and refunds >me all the money hes ripped me off for! haha
Dave, your customers may appreciate it if you check it out. I've
worked in positions where
CF!
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman
Date: 11/18/04 6:48 am
To: CF-Talk
Subj: RE: Macromedia gives up on the server market in Australia and wal ks
away.
Yep, it's basically eat or be eaten ..
Micha Schopman
Software Engineer
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 382
Yep, it's basically eat or be eaten ..
Micha Schopman
Software Engineer
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
~|
Special thanks to the
The spectra move burnt a lot of companies I think. Many people have
had egg on their faces with their customers because of this.
I am sorry to hear that but that eches something that I am hearing too
in companies. And although absolutely wrong its basically going mean
that everybody will be doing
Well, I promised to return back on this after the meeting. In short,
ColdFusion will be history in this company, and it will be replaced by
tadadad ASP.NET. Reasons in short:
- Market demands Microsoft solutions
- Company lost their trust in Macromedia, we used to do a lot of Spectra
and inves
no i dont have to worry about that because im smart enough to not have to work
for someone else. and thats great that u build 100k apps but how much of it do
u get to keep? and how much of it does your boss get to sit on the beach while
u work and count his $$?
and yeah i do use stupid words pa
But I don't think you have to worry about collecting enough revenue to
keep a business with 50+ employees running. Microsoft sells and
Microsoft means raising the pricetag (and a benefit of that is you have
more space for errors), plain and simple.
You have to invest a lot more time to sell a Col
[quote]"Classic" ASP is still here - there's nothing stopping you from running
your
ASP applications on Windows Server 2003[/quote]
well duh! of course u can still use it but is it being dev'd anymore? no
the comment was in ref to he/she saying well they dont know if cfml will be
here tomorrow.
[quote]Well, actually, have you checked out ASP.NET 2.0[/quote]
no not really and i wont until billy comes over and sucks a fart outta my azz
and refunds me all the money hes ripped me off for! haha
Luckily, i dont have to work for anyone, especially where'd i'd be in a
position to have to suppor
I agree with Dave here. As far as I am concerned there is nothing like CF
for rapid deployment but CF is not the be all and end all in my development.
I like the ability to intermix custom server side Java stuff depending on
the situation and that to me is a big plus. However, ASP.NET is chock f
yeah... when I first started years ago as a rookie, I could not believe
how easy it was to connect to a db and write out your queries freely
without worrying about line breaks, not appending correctly, etc. and
all inside a tag to boot.
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/17/2004 8:20:24 AM >>>
Dave nailed
Their stocks aren't doing too bad.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MACR
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:20:24 -0800, Bryan Stevenson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave nailed it here:
>
> > The fact is, you can do pretty much anything with any of these products.
> > The
> > hands-down advantage of CF, in my
Dave nailed it here:
> The fact is, you can do pretty much anything with any of these products.
> The
> hands-down advantage of CF, in my opinion, is that you can do most of the
> common, important things very easily.
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge
No, that I wouldnt but surely Australia (and probably that includes
New Zealand and South Africa) is a large enough area to need more than
one person out there.. then again its a demand vs supply thing.
Here in spain CF is pretty low (where I am at any rate) But I know
that in the capital there i
> wouldnt using the words "safety" and "microsoft" in the same
> sentence and have a direct meaning to one another be
> slanderous statement? makes me wanna barfff
>
> thats funny, the perception that is.
> and thats the exact route i would take to fight it.
> running it on a windows server
> I'll post the results here once we're done. I guess our
> issues are exactly the same as with any other company selling
> ColdFusion, customers choose the safety of the brand
> "Microsoft" instead of using their brains and comparing the
> results with the costs. That's how it works unfortunat
> Euhmm.. ASP.NET? PHP? Name one thing that cannot be done on
> these platforms and can be done with ColdFusion.
Clean, painless J2EE integration?
The fact is, you can do pretty much anything with any of these products. The
hands-down advantage of CF, in my opinion, is that you can do most of t
Dave,
PHP 5 has some mayor (and I mean really mayor) changes regarding OO
development, with true classes and full OO support. That is why the PHP
crowd goes mad.
" Personally, I really like CF, as you do. I'm very excited about
Blackstone,
especially with regard to the asynchronous processing st
> Not so much outlive anything but going back to topic.
>
> count number of sales reps/evangelisers for CF in Australia
> count number of sales reps/evanglisers for Microsoft/ ASP.NET
> in Australia
>
> Simple.. make a call to noth and see who turns up on your
> doorstep first pluggin their w
> what else has progressed as much as cfm in the last yr or so?
>
> .net not much
> php - nope
> jsp - nope actually probably gone done now that cfm can play
> with jsp cgi? Lol
Well, actually, have you checked out ASP.NET 2.0? There's quite a bit of new
stuff coming there. Likewise, in the JSP
> well did u not say to give u one feature that php or .net
> doesnt have? so i did, cfc's, isnt that what u asked for?
> and thats a friggin pretty BIG feature wouldnt u say?
Uh, that's just a language-specific implementation of a feature - the
ability to write class templates. You can certain
> Btw .. I am also in the middle of two fights,.. I have build
> the lasts 11 months intensively on a huge inhouse ColdFusion
> product (about 2000+ CFC's and CFM files) , and chances are high
> because it gets cancelled due to company strategy changes
> (towards Microsoft), so Thursday I have
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