Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-16 Thread Dick Applebaum
Well, normally on different systems, but no reason it has to be; You could have a single box with. 1) JRun 2) One or more CFMX Server instances 3) JMS server (JRun built-in or another) A batch order entry CF app could send messages to a CF order processing app via JMS.Both CF apps could be on

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-16 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:08:39 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could have a single box with. 1) JRun 2) One or more CFMX Server instances 3) JMS server (JRun built-in or another) Yes, true, you could. Being able to do this (decouple the data input from the data processing)

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Dick Applebaum
If you want a quick tutorial on JMS (OpenJMS) there is one at: http://www.devx.com/Java/Article/20903/0/page/1 Dick On Aug 15, 2004, at 2:47 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: Been playing with OpenJMS --- very nice package, pretty good docs, simple install nice (if simple) examples. It is easy to

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:47:16 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got me thinking that CFML should have the inherent ability to send/receive JMS messages -- something like a cfmessage tag. JMS is inherently asynchronous. CF is (currently) based on synchronous HTTP request / response

RE: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Samuel R. Neff
How does JMS compare to the ability to call CFC methods asynchronously (one of the mentioned new features in Blackstone)? Sam Blog http://www.rewindlife.com TeamMM http://www.macromedia.com/go/team -Original

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:28:36 -0400, Samuel R. Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does JMS compare to the ability to call CFC methods asynchronously (one of the mentioned new features in Blackstone)? They're unrelated really. JMS is just a mechanism for sending / receiving data asynchronously

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Dick Applebaum
Sam I don't know ... But from what I have been able to learn about Blackstone it appears that one way to call CFCs asynchronously is with JMS. That is what Sean Corfield is doing, according to his blog posts here. That is the very reason that I decided to learn about JMS -- so I would be

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 15, 2004, at 7:57 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:47:16 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got me thinking that CFML should have the inherent ability to send/receive JMS messages -- something like a cfmessage tag. JMS is inherently asynchronous. CF is

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:14:56 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But from what I have been able to learn about Blackstone it appears that one way to call CFCs asynchronously is with JMS. JMS is not really a remote procedure call vehicle so it is not a way to call CFCs asynchronously.

RE: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Samuel R. Neff
Sorry, I should have made my question clearer (or perhaps I should just wait until Blackstone is released, but it seems a general question on features already discussed public ally so here it goes). What's the advantage of tapping into JMS as opposed to using async cfc calls for a pure CF

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:22:01 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I felt that cfmessage would be very useful as a jms receiver -- isolating the user from the complexity. But, you are right, the typical CF app isn't written to sit and listen for an asynchronous request, Yeah, I

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:42:27 -0400, Samuel R. Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the advantage of tapping into JMS as opposed to using async cfc calls for a pure CF application? If you have a pure CF app, JMS is irrelevant. JMS is useful for passing data asynchronously between applications on

RE: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Samuel R. Neff
ok, that's the key information I wasn't clear on.. different systems.. :-) Thanks! Sam -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone On Mon,

Re: OpenJMS was JMS provider in anticipation of Blackstone

2004-08-15 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Aug 15, 2004, at 9:46 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: You could (possible) simplify this interface (for the rest of us) with a cfmessage type=receiver... tag. No you can't. You'd need a request in progress to execute that tag - the whole point of the event gateway is that it can generate the