Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)

2008-09-04 Thread Brian Kotek
I don't know anyone who thinks that TDD is the be-all-end-all of software development. The reality is that it does offer some very tangible benefits: - Everyone writes some kind of test. It might be a scribble pad that you run to make sure something works. It might be that you write code

Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)

2008-09-03 Thread Bill Shelton
I'm not going to get into the discussion of whether or not TDD is good, bad, or should be done lest you are just stupid and ugly. Anytime, or anyway, you think hard about the software you deliver, it's is going to be better than if you just bang it out with one eye open and hope no one sees

RE: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)

2008-09-03 Thread Jaime Metcher
still looking! Jaime -Original Message- From: Bill Shelton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 1:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue) I'm not going to get into the discussion of whether or not TDD is good

Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)

2008-09-02 Thread denstar
I like that you've been thinking about thinking while writing your framework, Isaac. I dig that. :-) The way I'm currently tackling the tests, is to try to work them into my routine. That hard part is, as been mentioned, not having to go back a lot to keep it all in sync. I wonder if this

Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)

2008-09-01 Thread Adam Haskell
TDD advocate here... I really think folks are going into TDD with this mindset that it's just write a test before you write code (so yes your are somewhat right). Doing this is going to result in frustration and an eventual failure and abandonment of TDD. Focusing on just writing a test is really

RE: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)

2008-09-01 Thread Jaime Metcher
-Original Message- From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 3:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue) snip And so it's an assumed that the TDD advocates who talk about writing all your tests before

Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)

2008-09-01 Thread s. isaac dealey
TDD advocate here... I really think folks are going into TDD with this mindset that it's just write a test before you write code (so yes your are somewhat right). Doing this is going to result in frustration and an eventual failure and abandonment of TDD. Focusing on just writing a test is

Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)

2008-09-01 Thread s. isaac dealey
Whoa, hold it right there. Show me the TDD advocate who promotes writing all tests before writing code and I'll personally have their card revoked! TDD means write a test, then write some code, then write another testby the time you write your last test, you've written all your code bar