[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Steve Onnis
Fat chance of that happening. I am more interested in what the lite version does and how i can use it. I mean if there is no point using it why bother shipping it. There must be something i can use it for, even if its pre-populating forms for clients, even though i could just use cfpdf or

[cfaussie] Re: Should I Purchase Enterprise

2007-06-29 Thread AJ Mercer
Would getting the full J2EE JRun server be of any benefit to you? This may not be a very good example, but illustrates what is possible I installed C* 8 as a multi-server configuration. In JRUN created a new application server Then dropped in the Railo 2 war I am hoping to get some time on the

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Chris Velevitch
On 6/29/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fat chance of that happening. I am more interested in what the lite version does and how i can use it. I believe it's use to implement the functionality of some of the new tags. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Steve Onnis
But you can choose to install it or not. So if you don't install it some tags wont work? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 4:04 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re:

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Mark Mandel
From what I heard at cf.Objective - they are totally revamping the licensing and product model of LiveCycle, so that it is far more accessible. (and you know, you can actually download demos n' stuff) Mark On 6/29/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fat chance of that happening. I am

[cfaussie] Re: Should I Purchase Enterprise

2007-06-29 Thread Chris Velevitch
On 6/29/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hoping to get some time on the weekend to run a a JBOSS server and see that this J2EE is all about. JBoss and JRun are both J2EE servers. The only difference is the price. Can install CF on either. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager -

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Chris Velevitch
On 6/29/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you can choose to install it or not. So if you don't install it some tags wont work? Since I haven't tried install CF8, I'm assuming it's not an option. Afterall it's a lite version, so it's there for a reason. Chris -- Chris Velevitch

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Mike Kear
LiveCycle is a product that is an enterprise product. It's purpose is to take the programmatic aspects of PDFs (amongst other things) and incorporate business rules, work flow, design and automate many of the day-to-day business functions. To make a sale to (say) a medium size organisation

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Chris Velevitch
On 6/29/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It asks you is you want to install it, asks you for a full license key or if you just want to install the lite version. A rough read of the installation manual, indicates it's totally optional, but if you do decide to install it, you can install

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Mark Mandel
Stupid Question Steve - You talking Live Cycle Data Services (which is what is installed with ColdFusion) or you talking Live Cycle Enterprise Services, which is the whole suite of Enterprise PDF tools that Mike was talking about? Mark On 6/29/07, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Steve Onnis
Not a stupid question. Just uneducated. So rephrase the question. What does Live Cycle Data Services do, how can I find out more about what it does and how to use it, and my CPU question still stands :) -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Mark Mandel
Ah! As far as I know - I believe it does all the 'neat' things that Flex can do with CF, like pushing to the client, and some other things like that. That's about all my knowledge on the subject however, Mark On 6/29/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a stupid question. Just

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Chris Velevitch
On 6/29/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a stupid question. Just uneducated. So rephrase the question. What does Live Cycle Data Services do, how can I find out more about what it does and how to use it, and my CPU question still stands :) Livecycle Data Services is just Flex

[cfaussie] Re: Should I Purchase Enterprise

2007-06-29 Thread Haikal Saadh
That, and the CF installer automatically wires up CF and JRun together. (Not having deployed CF on anything other than JRun personally, this is a really weak argument, though) Chris Velevitch wrote: On 6/29/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hoping to get some time on the

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Steve Onnis
I was just about to say that. Looking at the write up at Adobe, that's all it is, so am I correct in saying that it has nothing at all to do with PDF population or any PDF generation what so ever? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

[cfaussie] Re: Should I Purchase Enterprise

2007-06-29 Thread Dale Fraser
Possibly in the future, not currently though. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AJ Mercer Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 4:02 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com

[cfaussie] Re: Should I Purchase Enterprise

2007-06-29 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Yes the software price difference is hard to fathom. Adobe are amongst the most expensive - almost outrageously so - I mean nearly $1000 for Dreamweaver CS3? Windows Vista is also vastly overpriced here. On 29/06/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can afford it, but I also don't want

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Peter Tilbrook
I believe the CF8 LSDS are the grunt behind the great new PDF manipulation features. -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread MrBuzzy
You only need LCDS if you are doing Flex. Steve, here's a few things you ca do with it; Connect it to your CF Gateways - flex messaging service, flex data service, etc - CF can 'push' data to Flex clients via LCDS (this is the only way to do 'push'). - Use CFCs to 'manage' data updates and

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread MrBuzzy
LCDS can be used to manipulate and generate PDF, for delivery on Flex, etc. Unless I was dreaming. On 6/29/07, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/29/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just about to say that. Looking at the write up at Adobe, that's all it is, so

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Chris Velevitch
On 6/29/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just about to say that. Looking at the write up at Adobe, that's all it is, so am I correct in saying that it has nothing at all to do with PDF population or any PDF generation what so ever? Yes. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager -

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Well you need the LiveCycle Designer 8 (with Acrobat 8) to prepare your PDF's at least. Will that ship with CF8 I wonder? On 29/06/07, MrBuzzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LCDS can be used to manipulate and generate PDF, for delivery on Flex, etc. Unless I was dreaming. On 6/29/07, Chris

[cfaussie] Re: CF8 and LifeCycle

2007-06-29 Thread MrBuzzy
Wile I have no idea about Acrobat products, this was easy to find... http://livedocs.adobe.com/livecycle/es/sdkHelp/programmer/lcds/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=LiveDocs_Partsfile=pdfgen_3.html Using the PDF generation feature There are two approaches to this feature. You can

[cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101

2007-06-29 Thread Scott Barnes
You *should* be able to, as from memory the Server Licences are per cpu... VMS not inclusive... now if they are .. boy oh boy.. that will cause a rauckus in the following months when we start to show some of the new 2008 stuff.. On 6/29/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So then from

[cfaussie] Re: column order

2007-06-29 Thread Raymond Camden
What do you mean by column order not in cfquery? Do you mean cfquery.columnList? On 6/27/07, Mark Ireland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I work out how it is that the column order is preserved in a wddxPacket and not in a cfquery? cfwddx action=cfml2wddx input=#searchclasses#

[cfaussie] VOT: Where Is AS

2007-06-29 Thread Dale Fraser
Ok, Sorry all, but I could not resist another survey, only one question. And be warned, it's very off topic http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=qHhLG_2bN184fGrJ7kzRpXTQ_3d_3d Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com

[cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS

2007-06-29 Thread Andrew Scott
I am here But let me say this. 1) Not banned 2) No wells to fall into 3) Can't be consumed by something that I will not got near 4) No I have been actively voicing in another area. 5) Nope sorry no cars hit me either... 6) Now this I'll agree too, because its almost funny that I have just

[cfaussie] Re: column order

2007-06-29 Thread MrBuzzy
Yay something about CF. Attaboy Ray get us back on track :) I didn't quite understand the question either. I guess a query as WDDX could maintain a column order ...? Or be sorted appropriately. On 6/29/07, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by column order not in

[cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS

2007-06-29 Thread AJ Mercer
You think *that* will be the last word on the subject?? On 6/29/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the farmer once said to the pig.. That'll do pig.. that'll do... I think Andrew got the point today and how about we nod, smile and move forward - end the humiliation that which is

[cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working

2007-06-29 Thread Steve Onnis
Its not doing anything? Its erroring? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Kear Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2007 2:28 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] CFLocation stopped working Does anyone know where i can go to look at the

[cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working

2007-06-29 Thread Mike Kear
It doesnt do anything. I click submit on a form, and nothing seems to happen. What should happen is the processing gets done, and I'm returned to the page that took me to the form.The database shows that the processing is getting done - the data is being updated, so the only tag that's not

[cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working

2007-06-29 Thread Gary Menzel
Have you written a test page just to test nothing but the cflocation tag ? There could be something wrong with your page that means the cflocation tag never gets called. On 6/30/07, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesnt do anything. I click submit on a form, and nothing seems to

[cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working

2007-06-29 Thread Mike Kear
No, because it's every cflocation tag that's stopped working, including the ones that work fine on the production server. But since you mention it, i'll do just such a test page. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks

[cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working

2007-06-29 Thread Mike Kear
ok, just to add confusion to what i felt sure was a problem with cflocation, i created a page with nothing on it but a cflocation tag and it worked just fine. Damn. And i thought i had isolated where the problem was. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion

[cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101

2007-06-29 Thread Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited)
Absolutely, I'm using only VMware as the example. - Bruce Trevarthen, CEO ZeroOne (NZ) Limited --- DDI: +64 4 471 Mobile: +64 21 567967 --- -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL

[cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101

2007-06-29 Thread Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited)
Best option there would be VirtualPC since VMware would be cost prohibitive for that in my opinion. Regards Bruce - Bruce Trevarthen, CEO ZeroOne (NZ) Limited --- DDI: +64 4 471 Mobile: +64 21 567967 --- -Original

[cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101

2007-06-29 Thread Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited)
An interesting call for Adobe to make, or perhaps it's in the EULA, but I would assume you'd need a license per VM since using VMWare basically allows for several server installs (including OS). Unless using a virtualisation method within a single OS install such as the stuff from SWSoft.

[cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101

2007-06-29 Thread Steve Onnis
So really the only benefits would be hardware costs, but you would need to be upgrading things like ram, drive capacityy and cpu to maintain performance, and I guess data center costs for rack space. So is it really worth it? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com

[cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101

2007-06-29 Thread Steve Onnis
Why yes? The only reason i can see is a service perspective, being able to offer clients their own VS without having to load up racks with equipment. But then what you would be charging a client to do that, you could pick up a decent server for a couple of grand and give them that. You still