Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Jose Mario Quintana
@Donna Yet, at the other end of the spectrum, there are some that seem to believe in scientific theories religiously. As far as I know, no scientific theory can be proven right; it can only be proven wrong if its predictions break down. @Don > Unfortunately earth events can't be rerun for repro

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Raul Miller
That was from memory. I should have looked it up before posting. Sorry... lazy... Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise I seem to have gotten numbers much higher (roughly double) the actual rate. Thanks, -- Raul On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 8:14 PM, Jose Mario Quintana wrote: >

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Don Guinn
Unfortunately earth events can't be rerun for reproducible tests. There are many causes for climate change. No one really has a handle on it. Perhaps the real climate change deniers are those who claim we can stop climate change. On Mar 6, 2018 6:37 PM, "Donna Y" wrote: > Raul > > Thanks for the

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Donna Y
Raul Thanks for the links to the articles that discuss the scope of the problem of no one being motivated or funded to carry out replication experiments. Jose Thanks for the cartoon—I am way off in right field with the mathematician. The results of a single study do not establish scientific fa

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Jose Mario Quintana
> That said, I hope your property stays in good condition. Thank you. Reportedly, the sea levels have been rising at least for the last few thousand years. The question is if there is an acceleration. Apparently, Al Gore's house is near the coast of California. What is its elevation? I have

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Raul Miller
Eh... I'm not sure anything I said should be a cause for rejoicing? The models can be wrong, and the change can still be happening. (If I understand properly, we've been seeing global average sea level rise at a rate of approximately 1 inch every five or six years since roughly the 1920s. It might

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Jose Mario Quintana
I am glad to hear that (my house in Miami Beach faces the Bay's waters). On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Raul Miller wrote: > I have heard a variety of disagreements, both with that premise, and > with attempts at experiments. > > (Including, since you brought up climate change, an attempt (by a

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Jose Mario Quintana
Maybe this picture: https://xkcd.com/435/ should be updated by adding a computer on the far right. :) On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Donna Y wrote: > There is a current school of thought that holds that you can just say > something and make it so—it is certainly not the academic publishing >

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Raul Miller
I have heard a variety of disagreements, both with that premise, and with attempts at experiments. (Including, since you brought up climate change, an attempt (by a reputable MIT graduate) to reproduce Hans Hug's data (funding for lab costs was there, and interns to do the legwork were available,

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Donna Y
There is a current school of thought that holds that you can just say something and make it so—it is certainly not the academic publishing system—they hold that to be a scientifically established conclusion it must be verified by reproducible scientific results. When I studied mathematics compu

Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] RV: JoJ 2018

2018-03-06 Thread Jose Mario Quintana
< One weakness of the academic publishing system has been that it never cared much about reproducible scientific results. Hopefully that I suspect some scientists (or "scientists" depending on one's point of view), for example, those working on Climate Change (Global Warming) and related matters,

Re: [Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Ian Clark
> So I'm not sure this helps you, Be sure it does. 1. I spent precious years receiving a stream of people who were not IT professionals, and didn't want to be, but had IT rammed down their throats. To wit: wives of IBM Hursley staff, who signed up for a Human Factors Lab subject panel. I briefed

Re: [Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Raul Miller
Eh... for me that was the J Dictionary, the J Concrete Math book and the J Source book. But that was for me... (Also, before that, I'd gotten quite a lot out of the Gilman and Rose book on APL (it had a red cover though - and when I search for it, I find a different version with a green cover - I

Re: [Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Ian Clark
Thanks, Joe. I have Introductions to J coming out my ears. And before that, Introductions to APL. IMFFHO they all miss the boat. I think at long last I can now write one which touches the button for a bona fide J know-nothing. Arrogance? Not a bit of it. I've simply looked at what other (more pop

Re: [Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Raul Miller
I do not think that "common usage" depends on ISO standards. Or, at least, that does not match my understanding of how language use works (and, for that matter, it does not match my understanding of how standards bodies work). Thanks, -- Raul On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Ian Clark wrote:

Re: [Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Joe Bogner
Ah, I see. I thought to mention just in case the typical programmer domain vocabulary could be avoided or replaced with more J-like terms, which seems to intentionally have chosen simpler, more recognizable terms. I presumed you were familiar with some of the existing material but I find it useful

Re: [Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Ian Clark
Sorry, Joe, I want "common programmer terms" for "platform, program, etc", i.e. terms common to all programmers, not just J-ers. Especially not J-ers! I tried looking up some of these terms in the Oxford Dictionary of English (courtesy Apple) and I'm impressed. It seems it has authoritative but s

Re: [Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Joe Bogner
I went back and looked at some of the existing material This seems to be a good list of definitions with examples: http://www.jsoftware.com/help/primer/contents.htm This text seems devoid of too many terms: http://www.jsoftware.com/books/pdf/easyj.pdf Of course, I'm not reading these with "begin

Re: [Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Ian Clark
That's a start. Your weblink has a Glossary mentioned in the left sidebar. Which in itself is a bit disappointing because it only gives OS X-specific terms. On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Raul Miller wrote: > Are you looking for something like this? > > https://developer.apple.com/library/con

Re: [Jchat] Where is J going ?

2018-03-06 Thread Don Guinn
Defining fit as: fit=:2 : '(u f.)!.n' works. 1 2 laminate fit 10]3 4 5 1 2 10 3 4 5 On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:46 PM, Raul Miller wrote: > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:14 PM, Ian Clark wrote: > > But I was writing tongue-in-cheek when I suggested Foreigns. Maybe the J > > way of doing it is to

Re: [Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Raul Miller
Are you looking for something like this? https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Porting/Conceptual/PortingUnix/intro/intro.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002847-TPXREF101 Thanks, -- Raul On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 7:28 AM, Ian Clark wrote: > It's absurdly difficult to write a go

[Jchat] What do programmers mean by: variable, constant, function, array, etc?

2018-03-06 Thread Ian Clark
It's absurdly difficult to write a good "first-contact" text for J without reference to a single accepted source of definitions like: platform, program, app, script, variable, constant, function, array, string, character, number … Is there an ISO standard for common programmer terms (in English)?