[Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Richard Lewis
Hello CHICKEN users, I'm new both to chicken scheme and, in fact, to scheme itself. I was attracted to chicken as soon as I saw that it had a very simple module management system. I have experienced a few problems with installing some of the eggs though. It seems that two important eggs (i.e.

Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Kon Lovett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, On Dec 7, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Richard Lewis wrote: Hello CHICKEN users, I'm new both to chicken scheme and, in fact, to scheme itself. I was attracted to chicken as soon as I saw that it had a very simple module management system.

Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Ivan Raikov
I think even the most simple kind of Chicken/egg versioning would go a long way. For example, I can build easyffi and use it in Chicken 2.3 if I simply remove the -G option. So if chicken-setup supported different build commands for different versions of Chicken, this would make packaging Chic

Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Mario Domenech Goulart
Hello Ivan, On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:04:57 -0500 Ivan Raikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think even the most simple kind of Chicken/egg versioning would > go a long way. For example, I can build easyffi and use it in Chicken > 2.3 if I simply remove the -G option. So if chicken-setup support

Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Richard Lewis
Thanks for your replies regarding this. I've just managed to install easyffi by removing the -G option from easyffi.setup. But it looks like I'll have to have a go at self-compilation. Being a Debian user I'm extremely unused to this sort of thing. Wish me luck ;-) On Thursday 07 December 2006

Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Ivan Raikov
Well, I am not the maintainer for the Debian Chicken package, so I don't know. But unless the more recent versions of Chicken depend on libraries or library versions that are not present in Debian, it's probably not that difficult. Actually, the real problem here would be that the Debian relea

Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Kon Lovett
On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Zbigniew wrote: It seems to me that if Debian provides a Chicken 2.3 package for stability reasons, then Debian should also provide a 2.3 eggs package and keep it up to date. Using chicken-setup is inherently "unstable" from the perspective of Debian stable, since t

Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Ivan Raikov
You make a good point; actually, I would say that Debian needs to have a package for each individual egg, so that the developer who wishes to release Debian packages of their Chicken code can have precise control over dependencies. But then this means that the egg repository must match egg versi

Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Ivan Raikov
We don't use Sun's implementation of Java, because it's not ideologically pure ;-) Plus everyone knows that good programming languages have a specification that doesn't shift like quicksand... Kon Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Thank you. I was just going to mention that. What do D

Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread John Cowan
Ivan Raikov scripsit: > > > We don't use Sun's implementation of Java, because it's not > ideologically pure ;-) Plus everyone knows that good programming > languages have a specification that doesn't shift like quicksand... Well, Algol (60 and 68) should meet your needs, then, as should PL/

Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Paulo Jabardo
;t be available. Paulo - Mensagem original De: Kon Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Para: chicken Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 7 de Dezembro de 2006 17:47:54 Assunto: Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Zbigniew wrote: > It seems to me that if Debian prov

Re: Re: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Zbigniew
It seems to me that if Debian provides a Chicken 2.3 package for stability reasons, then Debian should also provide a 2.3 eggs package and keep it up to date. Using chicken-setup is inherently "unstable" from the perspective of Debian stable, since the eggs are constantly updated and haven't gone

Re: Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-07 Thread Ivan Raikov
That's okay, as long as there is the possibility of back-porting eggs to older versions. Paulo Jabardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However, new eggs wouldn't be available. > > Paulo > ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http:

Re: Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-08 Thread Peter Busser
Hi! On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 02:46:25PM -0800, Paulo Jabardo wrote: > I think that a simple solution, that would not solve this particular problem > but might help in the future is to have an egg repository for each version. > So if someone is using an older version of chicken, the chicken-setup

Re: Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-08 Thread felix winkelmann
On 12/8/06, Peter Busser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi! On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 02:46:25PM -0800, Paulo Jabardo wrote: > I think that a simple solution, that would not solve this particular problem but might help in the future is to have an egg repository for each version. So if someone is usi

Re: Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-08 Thread Ivan Raikov
I was going to say, it would take some effort to backport the current egg repository to a given older version of Chicken. But I appreciate the new addition to chicken-setup; and at least I can create a Chicken 2.3 egg repository for the eggs I use. -Ivan "felix winkelmann" <[EMAIL PROT

Re: Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-08 Thread felix winkelmann
On 12/8/06, Ivan Raikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was going to say, it would take some effort to backport the current egg repository to a given older version of Chicken. But I appreciate the new addition to chicken-setup; and at least I can create a Chicken 2.3 egg repository for the eggs I

Re: Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-08 Thread Ivan Raikov
Well, it's certainly not going to hurt anybody, and it might be somewhat useful for future "forking" of the egg repository. Though of course some eggs might later have bug fixes that don't necessarily break compatibility with older versions... whatever happened to the idea of having unit tests

Re: Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-08 Thread Kon Lovett
On Dec 8, 2006, at 7:29 AM, felix winkelmann wrote: On 12/8/06, Ivan Raikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was going to say, it would take some effort to backport the current egg repository to a given older version of Chicken. But I appreciate the new addition to chicken-setup; and at least I

Res: Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems

2006-12-08 Thread Paulo Jabardo
ginal De: felix winkelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Para: Ivan Raikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: chicken-users@nongnu.org Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 8 de Dezembro de 2006 13:29:30 Assunto: Re: Res: [Chicken-users] New user; egg problems On 12/8/06, Ivan Raikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

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2006-12-08 Thread Peter Busser
Hi! > We don't use Sun's implementation of Java, because it's not > ideologically pure ;-) Plus everyone knows that good programming > languages have a specification that doesn't shift like quicksand... Well, that is partially not true anymore. Sun already released two important components of