Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed.. Watcom anyone?

2006-01-11 Thread Bob McIsaac
Bill Hoffman wrote: I have it working now. Strange -D did not work for me. It did not complain, but it does not work. It seems to like -d instead. Anyway, I have cmake working with wcl386, and wmake. I now trying to build cmake itself with wcl386, but I should be able to put this stuff into

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed.. Mingw install?

2006-01-11 Thread Bob McIsaac
1. QNX4 .. it's a robust RTOS 2. http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/ ..? 3. http://www.fox-toolkit.org .. I like it! 4. http://www.fltk.org/ .. works with Chicken, at least on Linux There is some tendency in cross-platform projects to be compiler agnostic.. it depends upon the project des

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed.. Mingw install?

2006-01-11 Thread Bob McIsaac
Sergey Khorev wrote: Hello Bob McIsaac BM> I tried MinGw and found it wasn't "the simplest thing that could BM> possibly work" (as Ward Cunningham might say). That is the fate BM> of Unix tools on the Windows platform... compromises, work arounds, BM> and special cases are inevitable resultin

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed.. Mingw install?

2006-01-11 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
felix winkelmann wrote: On 1/11/06, Brandon J. Van Every <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Which happens, but that's about using the Common Language Runtime, not generating native code. I'm a 3D game developer, I want native code. Isn't the CLR code JIT-compiled? (just asking). Yeah, bu

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed.. Mingw install?

2006-01-11 Thread felix winkelmann
On 1/11/06, Brandon J. Van Every <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which happens, but that's about using the Common Language > Runtime, not generating native code. I'm a 3D game developer, I want > native code. Isn't the CLR code JIT-compiled? (just asking). > > I have never encountered Watcom on m

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed.. Mingw install?

2006-01-11 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
Bob McIsaac wrote: I tried MinGw and found it wasn't "the simplest thing that could possibly work" (as Ward Cunningham might say). That is the fate of Unix tools on the Windows platform... compromises, work arounds, and special cases are inevitable resulting in some obfuscation. Yes... it's a

Re[2]: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-10 Thread Sergey Khorev
BJV> The MinGW guys are also working on proper packaging. Several months ago BJV> it was terribly bugged, however. I made noise about it, and people BJV> concluded that the alpha quality packaging mechanism was harming This new packaging was 100% crap :)

Re[2]: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed.. Mingw install?

2006-01-10 Thread Sergey Khorev
Hello Bob McIsaac BM> I tried MinGw and found it wasn't "the simplest thing that could BM> possibly work" (as Ward Cunningham might say). That is the fate BM> of Unix tools on the Windows platform... compromises, work arounds, BM> and special cases are inevitable resulting in some obfuscation. B

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed.. compiler semantics

2006-01-10 Thread Bob McIsaac
Watcom is literal minded about import libraries.. The import library should only show what is exported by the DLL. Therefore, the "chicken.exe" target should link the import library plus another library containing objects that were compiled with import declarations.  Trying to use Makefile.vc

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed.. Mingw install?

2006-01-10 Thread Bob McIsaac
I tried MinGw and found it wasn't "the simplest thing that could possibly work" (as Ward Cunningham might say). That is the fate of Unix tools on the Windows platform... compromises, work arounds, and special cases are inevitable resulting in some obfuscation. On the other hand, I briefly tried

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-10 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
Sergey Khorev wrote: BM> My main goal is to use Scheme on Linux and win32 without any fuss. I BM> don't have a Watcom agenda.. it just appears to be best maintained of BM> the free win32 compilers. And my options are limited because I have win98. BTW MinGW is working as perfect as normal GCC.

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-10 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
felix winkelmann wrote: On 1/10/06, Sergey Khorev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok. It seems that Brandon and me can cover these tasks. I'll take a look what can be done for Open Watcom. If someone wants to use it, why not? Ppersonally I can't find sufficiently good reason to migrate to Watcom

Re: Re[2]: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-10 Thread felix winkelmann
On 1/10/06, Sergey Khorev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok. It seems that Brandon and me can cover these tasks. > I'll take a look what can be done for Open Watcom. If someone wants to use > it, why > not? Ppersonally I can't find sufficiently good reason to migrate to Watcom > besides of > prob

Re[2]: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-10 Thread Sergey Khorev
fw> I can apply patches myself, and fix the most glaring bugs. But where I really fw> need help is with maintaining build issues. That is, testing of mingw, fw> cygwin and msvc builds. I would also like to have someone to look into fw> compiling Chicken with Open Watcom. fw> And providing win32 bi

Re[2]: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-10 Thread Sergey Khorev
BM> My main goal is to use Scheme on Linux and win32 without any fuss. I BM> don't have a Watcom agenda.. it just appears to be best maintained of BM> the free win32 compilers. And my options are limited because I have win98. BTW MinGW is working as perfect as normal GCC. BM> PS: has anyone tr

Re[2]: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-10 Thread Sergey Khorev
BJV> Actually I need to create a generic INSTALL readme for BJV> CMake itself, I just haven't gotten to it yet. Actually the lack of INSTALL.CMake is the main show-stopper for me on CMake way. When I tried it I changed some settings through CMake interface and broke the build :) Some docs about

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-10 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
Bob McIsaac wrote: My main goal is to use Scheme on Linux and win32 without any fuss. I don't have a Watcom agenda.. it just appears to be best maintained of the free win32 compilers. That point, I do not understand or agree with. Cygwin is clearly the best maintained free compiler, used

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-09 Thread Bob McIsaac
Hi: Brandon has been advocating the use of Cmake, I guess to minimize cross-platform build complexity. I took a quick look at the Cmake site and agree that the idea has merit. It appears to use XML to describe the pattern rules used by various compilers. Correct me if I am mistaken. My main go

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-09 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
felix winkelmann wrote: On 1/8/06, Sergey Khorev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to (excluding CMake stuff), but I'm very confused by your words about lots of work :) Support for Windows looks mature enough to not require daily hacking. Can you please explain what are those big problems?

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-09 Thread felix winkelmann
On 1/8/06, Brandon J. Van Every <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, I would like to define and pipeline the responsibilities in > conjunction with whomever else wants to take them on. As I said before, > I'm not interested in doing patches. Right now my skills and > programming toolchain are st

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-09 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
felix winkelmann wrote: On 1/8/06, Brandon J. Van Every <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, I would like to define and pipeline the responsibilities in conjunction with whomever else wants to take them on. As I said before, I'm not interested in doing patches. Right now my skills and programmi

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-08 Thread felix winkelmann
On 1/8/06, Sergey Khorev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to (excluding CMake stuff), but I'm very confused by your > words about lots of work :) > Support for Windows looks mature enough to not require daily hacking. > Can you please explain what are those big problems? > > Also what will be

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-08 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
Bob McIsaac wrote: IMO, maintaining a universal build tool that works for both windows and unix is too complicated given the broken-minded idioms found on the windows platform.Mingw and Cygwin only extend this complexity. So it is better to have a separate windows build system. I am t

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-08 Thread Bob McIsaac
Sergey Khorev wrote: I'd like to (excluding CMake stuff), but I'm very confused by your words about lots of work :) Support for Windows looks mature enough to not require daily hacking. Can you please explain what are those big problems? Also what will be modus operandi? E.g. shall maintainer j

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-08 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
Sergey Khorev wrote: I'd like to (excluding CMake stuff), but I'm very confused by your words about lots of work :) Support for Windows looks mature enough to not require daily hacking. Can you please explain what are those big problems? Also what will be modus operandi? E.g. shall maintainer j

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-08 Thread Sergey Khorev
I'd like to (excluding CMake stuff), but I'm very confused by your words about lots of work :) Support for Windows looks mature enough to not require daily hacking. Can you please explain what are those big problems? Also what will be modus operandi? E.g. shall maintainer just fish out Windows-spe

Re: [Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-07 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
felix winkelmann wrote: Fellow Schemers and Chicken users: It turns out that I'm not able to cope with maintaining the Windows build of Chicken any longer. Since I'm working in a Linux-based company and since I don't have any suitable platform for testing Windows things myself, But clearly thi

[Chicken-users] Win32 maintainer needed

2006-01-07 Thread felix winkelmann
Fellow Schemers and Chicken users: It turns out that I'm not able to cope with maintaining the Windows build of Chicken any longer. Since I'm working in a Linux-based company and since I don't have any suitable platform for testing Windows things myself, I feel that I can't decently keep up with t