[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-04 Thread Alex Faaborg
Earlier today at Mozilla the UX team along with Mike Beltzner and Johnathan Nightingale spent a good deal of time discussing how we want to evolve the security UI in Firefox. We are planning on making a few changes to our current approach based on what worked (and didn't work) in Firefox

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-04 Thread Adam Barth
Please do. :) Adam On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Alex Faaborg faab...@mozilla.com wrote: Earlier today at Mozilla the UX team along with Mike Beltzner and Johnathan Nightingale spent a good deal of time discussing how we want to evolve the security UI in Firefox.  We are planning on

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-03 Thread Mike Hearn
Yeah, I understood :) I haven't seen much discussion of these issues so figured I'd try and start some - perhaps a lurker would be motivated to work on it. Or maybe the Chrome team in a later release. The force-ssl stuff seems like good progress. Still, Chrome takes a less aggressive stance than

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-03 Thread Adam Barth
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Mike Hearn mh.in.engl...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I understood :) I haven't seen much discussion of these issues so figured I'd try and start some - perhaps a lurker would be motivated to work on it. Or maybe the Chrome team in a later release. We had a lot of

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread Peter Kasting
+CC Ian Fette, our security PM. None of the issues you raise are new; we've considered them for a couple of years. In general I agree that positive security indicators are designed around the idea that users should be alarmed by something's _absence_, which doesn't work well with how people

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread John Munro
I do think our host-versus-everything-else coloring in the address bar helps with phishing URLs even if users can't articulate what the different colored sections are. Would this be a good time to revisit this issue: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1971 Both Firefox and

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, John Munro ghost...@gmail.com wrote: I do think our host-versus-everything-else coloring in the address bar helps with phishing URLs even if users can't articulate what the different colored sections are. Would this be a good time to revisit this issue:

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread Erik Kay
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Mike Hearn mh.in.engl...@gmail.com wrote: - Use of cheap negative trust indicators, for instance if a page matches the regex Bank of America and is not the well known site a small bar or bubble could appear that says This website is not owned by Bank of

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread Mike Hearn
The malware and phishing system does a pretty good job of detecting phishing sites like this, which we get notified of via SafeBrowsing SafeBrowsing is a great system, but it ultimately relies on savvy users telling us that a site is phishing. Some scams are sufficiently good that the majority

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread Peter Kasting
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Mike Hearn mh.in.engl...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree that the padlock animation would be adding visual noise, I wasn't commenting about the animation, rather the presence of an indicator on normal sites. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread Mike Hearn
[repost with my actual signup address] Ah, I see. Yeah, I agree, that would clutter Chrome a bit. I'm not sure what direction to look in then. Things like SafeBrowsing suffer from the imperfect protection problem, but they are still worth doing. Only showing indicators when the site

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread Adam Barth
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Mike Hearn mh.in.engl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm concerned about the way Chromium displays SSL security indicators, which this blog post reminded me about:   http://chrome.blogspot.com/2009/10/are-you-seeing-red.html There have been a few studies of SSL

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread Evan Stade
I now have a new response ready for the next click to select all thread: the best way to make your case is to write an academic paper and conduct a user study that shows how the new UI out-performs the current UI. -- Evan Stade --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium

[chromium-dev] Re: Chromium security UI choices

2009-11-02 Thread Adam Barth
I'm sorry if my email came off as dismissive. I really would like to see some serious study of user interfaces for certificate errors. I think everyone agrees that the current designs can be improved. We even know how to measure success (e.g.,