Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Rob Janssen
Stephen Satchell wrote: On 12/20/2017 11:51 AM, Rob Janssen wrote: A time server that uses DNS based rules for reference servers should fail gracefully when the DNS does not return an IP address (anymore).  So, when it does a lookup only once it should issue an error message about that server,

Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Bill Unruh
Hi Rob, Bill On 21/12/2017, at 9:20 AM, Bill Unruh wrote: There are two questions here: a) chrony drips a source if the dns does not deliver a valid IP for that server. b)What should the the underlying philosophical stance be of a program like chrony to the use of DNS. I was answering the f

Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Bill Unruh
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Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 12/20/2017 11:51 AM, Rob Janssen wrote: A time server that uses DNS based rules for reference servers should fail gracefully when the DNS does not return an IP address (anymore).  So, when it does a lookup only once it should issue an error message about that server, and proceed its startup a

Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Bryan Christianson
Hi Rob, Bill > On 21/12/2017, at 9:20 AM, Bill Unruh wrote: > > There are two questions here: > a) chrony drips a source if the dns does not deliver a valid IP for that > server. > b)What should the the underlying philosophical stance be of a program like > chrony to the use of DNS. > > I was a

Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 12/20/2017 12:20 PM, Bill Unruh wrote: You have apparently implimented my suggestion as to how to solve that question, despite your moral qualms about that implimentation. Actually, I exchanged mail with the server administrators before moving to IP-based specification for those server entr

Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Bill Unruh
There are two questions here: a) chrony drips a source if the dns does not deliver a valid IP for that server. b)What should the the underlying philosophical stance be of a program like chrony to the use of DNS. I was answering the first, not the second. You had a problem, chronyd was dropping se

Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Rob Janssen
Bill Unruh wrote: In that list of servers, there is a field for each NTP time provider, "Use DNS".  Many of the public servers in this table require that DNS be used with their service.  Here is one entry from the table: There is absolutely no way they would know if you are using dns or no

Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Bill Unruh
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Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Bill Unruh
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Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 12/20/2017 09:01 AM, Bill Unruh wrote: No idea if it will work, but you could put the IP address in instead of names for your servers-- that way no dns is needed. Found the URL: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/StratumTwoTimeServers In that list of servers, there is a field for ea

Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 12/20/2017 09:01 AM, Bill Unruh wrote: No idea if it will work, but you could put the IP address in instead of names for your servers-- that way no dns is needed. I have longstanding arrangements with several NTP time sources. For those sources, those that don't do load-sharing with DNS,

Re: [chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Bill Unruh
No idea if it will work, but you could put the IP address in instead of names for your servers-- that way no dns is needed. On Wed, 20 Dec 2017, Stephen Satchell wrote: TL;DR: chronyd doesn't like server specifications with FQDN when there is no DNS resolver available -- and neither does rival

[chrony-users] Chrony forgets servers (specified by FQDN) when no DNS server

2017-12-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
TL;DR: chronyd doesn't like server specifications with FQDN when there is no DNS resolver available -- and neither does rival ntpd. We'll see if NXDOMAIN is just as bad. (I did check to see if this had already been reported -- didn't find any reference to issues like I experienced. Went back