Re: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Quotation Question

"The most common counterfeit" according to Langworth. https://richardlangworth.com/quotes-churchill-never-said-2 On Thursday, July 28, 2022, 05:59:36 PM CDT, Sandy Finlayson wrote: Does anyone here know the accuracy of the quote sometimes attributed to Churchill? The phrase in questio

[ChurchillChat] "I cannot pretend to feel impartial about the colours..."

Let us all take a moment today to raise a glass in fond memory of the old boy - and let us hope that, fifty-six years into his first million years of painting, he is reveling in covering his canvas with colours whose brightness and depth we can never imagine. "When final honours are bestowed A

RE: [ChurchillChat] portrait of Lady Churchill by John Napper (1954)

's work. Wilfred On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 22:32, 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Whatever one’s personal opinion of the merits of the Sutherland portrait, I cannot help but feel that to dismiss it as a ‘daub’ betrays a ce

RE: [ChurchillChat] portrait of Lady Churchill by John Napper (1954)

Whatever one’s personal opinion of the merits of the Sutherland portrait, I cannot help but feel that to dismiss it as a ‘daub’ betrays a certain artistic tin ear. Personally I find it to be a powerful study of a real, old, and righteously tired, man – much better than an idealized soviet-st

RE: [ChurchillChat] Getting silly now...!

I'll be interested to see how long it takes to haul down all the statues of Washington and Jefferson - not to mention dumping the Washington Monument into the Potomac. Dave -Original Message- From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Davi

RE: [ChurchillChat] Roy Howells

for Howells yet perhaps!!? Regards Liam On Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 02:51 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat, mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> > wrote: It would certainly be interesting to listen to them huddled around the fire and complaining about what a rotten ti

RE: [ChurchillChat] Roy Howells

It would certainly be interesting to listen to them huddled around the fire and complaining about what a rotten tipper that bastard Philby was :). From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bullfrogcontrol Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 4:48 PM

RE: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe

ellous anecdote about it : > > The confusion between the contraption and Kloppe's "fifteen volumes" (p. 14 > of the 2007 reprint). > > Best wishes, > > A.C. > === > > From: 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat > Sent: Monday, December 23, 20

RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ film : thanks

chair in the War Rooms, where WSC constantly drummed his fingernails, and how he tried to work that into his own portrayal--which was masterful. The video of Oldman's talk at Hillsdale is at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyenAuy7wgg Our review of the film is at: http://bi

RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ film

Dear Antoine, You can find the script for the film at https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/uploads/scripts/darkest-hour-2017.pdf A quick search seems to indicate that the character in question is John Evans - Churchill's private secretary. (Not sure if that's a 'real' character - I bet Richard k

[ChurchillChat] The St. Augustine River War Chimera

Peter, Since nobody else has picked up on your question, I’ll take a shot at it, having been an erstwhile troublemaker on this topic. In the last communication I had with Bruce Fingerhut of the St. Augustine Press, on 10/24/2016, I said: “I note that your website still shows a public

RE: [ChurchillChat] "The Churchill Marriage and Lady Castlerosse"

Bravo, Richard! Very nicely done. From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Langworth Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:12 AM To: ChurchillChat Subject: [ChurchillChat] "The Churchill Marriage and Lady Castlerosse" https://spectator.

RE: [ChurchillChat] Hollywood Rewards Mass Murderer - Read All About It!!!

day, March 11, 2018 7:37 PM To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Hollywood Rewards Mass Murderer - Read All About It!!! That is not a Washington Post opinion. It is a guest op-ed. The Post routinely publishes opinion pieces that are not in accord with its own

[ChurchillChat] Hollywood Rewards Mass Murderer - Read All About It!!!

I note that the Washington Post, spiritual home of Trump Derangement Syndrome, continues its descent into the world of tabloid drivel. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/03/10/in-winston -churchill-hollywood-rewards-a-mass-murderer/?utm_term=.4c8ea73c9a3a Dave --

RE: [ChurchillChat] @Darkest Hour Reviews

I have to admit to being something of a movephobe. I see about two a year. This year one of them was ‘Darkest Hour’, at the vehement urging of my wife. She knows about my interest in Churchill ever since the 1,500 related books in the basement became noticeable. In my opinion, the Oscar fo

RE: [ChurchillChat] Castlerosse Affair

I seem to recall that Richard Toye is in the habit of almost falling out of his chair, so perhaps he is not the most stable of sources. To your point, Richard, perhaps he’s just trying to give momentum to a new #himtoo hashtag. Time was, I would have commented that in the colour photo she’s

RE: [ChurchillChat] What do you do with your books and Churchilliana?

John, Looks to me like a hyper-commercial meeting/wedding joint. Are they trying to seriously support Churchill scholarship, or use his name as a tawdry draw. $30,000 for 18 hours? What’s in it for the Churchill Centre? Are they advertising with the Churchill Society for Tennessee?

RE: [ChurchillChat] Approaching Another Milestone

e website. Apologies to all for my ignorance and flippancy. Stan On 2017-09-11 11:11 AM, Dave Turrell wrote: In all fairness, you should keep in mind that the “fearful fatalistic apathy by the author” may be due to the fact that he’s dead. Dave From: <mailto:churchillchat@goo

RE: Re: [ChurchillChat] Approaching Another Milestone

St. Augustine website. Apologies to all for my ignorance and flippancy. Stan On 2017-09-11 11:11 AM, Dave Turrell wrote: In all fairness, you should keep in mind that the “fearful fatalistic apathy by the author” may be due to the fact that he’s dead. Dave From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com

RE: [ChurchillChat] Approaching Another Milestone

In all fairness, you should keep in mind that the “fearful fatalistic apathy by the author” may be due to the fact that he’s dead. Dave From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stan A. Orchard Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 2:00 PM To: ch

RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: master list of WSC events

It’s out there at www.churchillcentral.com . However, there appears to be a problem with its security certificate which indicates that the site is not being correctly maintained and it is potentially NOT SAFE to visit. Dave From: churchillchat@googleg

RE: [ChurchillChat] query re books

If you scroll through the listings on the following link you will find descriptions of both volumes. https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0

RE: [ChurchillChat] Cox as Churchill on Charlie Rose

Behalf Of Dave Turrell Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 12:44 PM To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Cox as Churchill on Charlie Rose I’d be interested to know how one would set about defining and enforcing that. Dave

RE: [ChurchillChat] Cox as Churchill on Charlie Rose

I’d be interested to know how one would set about defining and enforcing that. Dave From: Brett Weiss [mailto:interl...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brett Weiss Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:09 PM To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Cox as Churchill on Charlie Rose

RE: [ChurchillChat] Sir Winston Churchill coin/medal

Ely, Your medal is by Constantino Affer and was issued by Sirom of Milan in 1965. There are five sizes, all of which are .900 fine. 50, 40, 34, 27, and 20 mm. The 50mm are numbered (1000 struck). Quantities not available for the smaller sizes. It seems trial strikes in silver gilt exi

RE: [ChurchillChat] Sir Winston Churchill coin/medal

Ely, Your medal is by Constantino Affer and was issued by Sirom of Milan in 1965. There are five sizes, all of which are .900 fine. 50, 40, 34, 27, and 20 mm. The 50mm are numbered (1000 struck). Quantities not available for the smaller sizes. It seems trial strikes in silver gilt exi

RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill’s treatment at the hands of ‘Churchill Scholars’

Maybe it’s my generation, but I am having a huge problem getting past the mental image of Jimmy Page standing on the beaches at Gallipoli and ripping off one of his trademark solos. In general, I tend to be cautious when it comes to “Super-hero thwarted by dullards” historical narratives. I

RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill's last London home : thanks

Richard is modest, as always, regarding the enormous contribution he made in making this material available to the Churchill community. I have a copy of this reproduction and it is of excellent quality. Sixteen pages and eleven illustrations. The auction for the freehold was held on 28th Octo

RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

ve a new one. I hope Prof. Muller has been well compensated for his work 'cause there ain't going to be any royalties. Jonathan Hayes _ From: Dave Turrell mailto:daturr...@verizon.net> > To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com>

RE: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War

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[ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War

In doing some desultory web browsing today, I note that the latest date that St Augustine Press has been giving for publication of Jim Muller's 'River War' (September 2016) has been and gone, like so many of their other proposed publication dates over the last 15 years or more. Checking with Amazo

RE: [ChurchillChat] Many people not happy!!

Thanks, Richard. Sir Nicholas is spot on. Dave From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard M. Langworth Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 10:53 AM To: ChurchillChat Cc: piper...@att.net Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Many people not hap

RE: [ChurchillChat] Is Churchill Still Relevant?

_ From: Dave Turrell mailto:daturr...@verizon.net> > To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:34 PM Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Is Churchill Still Relevant? Jonathan, “She ran history's

RE: [ChurchillChat] Is Churchill Still Relevant?

chillchat@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 12:58 AM Subject: [ChurchillChat] Is Churchill Still Relevant? On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:00:20 PM UTC-4, Dave Turrell wrote: Would anyone care to explain why WSC will be relevant to someone born in, say, 2000? Mor

RE: [ChurchillChat] USA TV Broadcast of Churchill's Secret

I believe part of the problem is the proposition that fiction entails the right to carte blanche in its lack of necessary relation to reality. A tricky notion when dealing with real people and events. Fiction could easily place Lincoln at a tea party with a representative sample of freed slaves

RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill on French TV

"Pour des raisons de droits concédés à France Télévisions, cette vidéo n'est pas disponible depuis votre position géographique." It's a frequent problem with trying to watch another country's re-broadcasts. Dave -Original Message- From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillch

RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: in The Independent today : Winston Churchill 'would not become Prime Minister today because his speaking style would be mocked'

You know, Anthony, I originally toyed with the idea of following that train of thought and managed to restrain myself. In any case, I think that the dead of Chicago at least have the grace to elect the living. But to anticipate your next point…. how can you tell? From: churchillchat@google

RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: in The Independent today : Winston Churchill 'would not become Prime Minister today because his speaking style would be mocked'

Unfortunately, this is simply a variation on the "What Would Churchill Do?" game that irritated the late Lady Soames so much. And it's a game that can be played in both directions. Personally, I contend that the reason Barack Obama would not have been elected President of the United States in 1

RE: [ChurchillChat] River War Publication

chat@googlegroups.com> > To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] River War Publication Even a Taiwan bootleg edition would suffice. -Original Message- From: Dave Tur

RE: [ChurchillChat] River War Publication

churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] River War Publication Even a Taiwan bootleg edition would suffice. -Original Message- From: Dave Turrell mailto:daturr...@verizon

RE: [ChurchillChat] River War Publication

It's been going on for at least 11 years to my personal knowledge. As the Texans might say, this would appear to be a publisher that is all hat and no cattle. or, as we Brits might prefer it, all mouth and trousers. Their lesser known publication of Savrola remains equally ethereal. My gue

RE: [ChurchillChat] River War

I tend to share the skepticism. St. Augustine Press was listing the release date of this work, along with their projected edition of Savrola, back in 2004. To slightly paraphrase the old boy, "We are waiting for the long-promised publication. So are the fishes." Dave -Original Message-

RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill and nuclear attack against USSR

I wouldn't doubt for a second that it may have been Churchill's opinion at one point - but there's a significant gap between opinion and policy. For an 'investigative journalist' it appears that the author has much investigating yet to do. "Maier said: 'Churchill had been a great historian

RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Another new book of "debunking"

Looks like he's got prior form, as the Sweeney might say. Was it just me who missed the recent information that FDR instigated the attack on Pearl Harbour? Dave Sacrifice of Singapore: Churchill's Biggest Blunder by Michael Arnold The fate of Singapore was sealed long before the Japanese atta

RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill related sites to visit in London

If you do go to Blenheim be sure to visit Churchill's grave at St. Martin's church in Bladon. It's within about a mile of the palace. Have a great trip. Dave _ From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rafal Heydel-Mankoo Sent: W

RE: [ChurchillChat] River War - Annotated Edition

St. Augustine's Press currently has the release date as being August 2014, but I think their site is programmed to automatically push the date out by six months every six months. They've been doing that since Adam was a lad. On the bright side I note that the world's oldest person just turned

RE: [ChurchillChat] Bust Ceremony "Teaser" video released by Speaker's Office

Not sure that I would buy into this kind of retro-snobbery. Would the Sir Winston who wanted 'plenty of brass bands' have wanted any coloured people at the unveiling? WSC was actually quite adventurous at certain points in his life. The 90 year-old may have wanted 'plenty of brass bands' b

[ChurchillChat] Re: Election 2008

"I have a long experience and this has come into my mind. In critical and baffling situations it is always best to recur to first principles and simple action. Trust the people, go to the people, let the people have their say. Let there be a General Election where they can express their will - whe