RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-10 Thread Chuck Larrieu
Recently an instructor in a class I was taking said something I found interesting. I hope I can do justice to his words. Network layer:IP IP IP Transport layer: TCP UDP Application layer: BGPRIP EIGRP, OSP

Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread George Susini
relies on TCP Very confusing . - Original Message - From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Zhang Jin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 12:18 AM Subject: RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
Your instructor is one of the all-too-large group of people who try to coerce things into a simplistic OSI model. Priscilla calls this coercing protocols into OSI layers. It's really not the fault of OSI, because there are documents that supplement the original model, such as the Rout(e)ing Fr

RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread Stephen Skinner
Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model >Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:11:34 -0500 > >Your instructor is one of the all-too-large group of peop

RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>Stephen Skinner wrote, let me see if i have this correct... > >routing protocols do the following > >manage links >exchange data >route packet >update each other I'd agree with exchange data and update each other. Try approaching this from a different direction. Can we agree that the endpoints

RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread Chuck Larrieu
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 6:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model >Stephen Skinner wrote, let me see if i have this correct.

RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>Howard, I know we've had this discussion before here on groupstudy. I also >accept that there remains a lot of confusion of OSI terminology with PC >terminology. I.e. application on a PC versus OSI application. > >That said, I am looking at the Certification Zone OSI paper. (which >version? I di

RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread Chuck Larrieu
Howard commented: > >That said, I am looking at the Certification Zone OSI paper. (which >version? I did one.) It was the OSI paper by someone else of the same name and a different CertificationZone with the same url ;-> _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info

Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
ECTED]> >To: "Zhang Jin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 12:18 AM >Subject: RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model > > > > Recently an instructor in a class I was taking said something I found > > interesting.

Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>Routing protocols have network-layer functionality, regardless of >whether they use an IP header, IP/UDP header, IP/BGP header, or no >header at all above the MAC header (IS-IS) to transfer their >information. > >If we can't agree that routing protocols have network-layer >functionality, we s

Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-11 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
You gotta love the airline industry. &;-) "Many people on board the aircraft were quite upset that there was a large uncontrollable pig on board, especially those in the first-class cabin," the incident report stated. Priscilla At 04:46 PM 11/11/00, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: >>Routing protoc

Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-12 Thread Stephen Skinner
;To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model >Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:02:03 -0800 > >You gotta love the airline industry. &;-) > >"Many people on board the aircraft were quite upset that there was a large >uncontrollable pig on board, especi

RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-12 Thread Irwin Lazar
> Your instructor is one of the all-too-large group of people who try > to coerce things into a simplistic OSI model. Priscilla calls this > coercing protocols into OSI layers. It's really not the fault of OSI, > because there are documents that supplement the original model, such > as the Rou

RE: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-12 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 7:58 PM -0700 11/12/2000, Irwin Lazar wrote: > > >To further cloud the discussion, I've heard folks argue that MPLS is a layer >2 1/2 protocol, and I've also heard folks argue that MPLS is a layer 3 1/2 >protocol since it rides on top of IP (though how something could ride "on >top" of IP yet c

Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model

2000-11-13 Thread SBS
- Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 3:39 AM Subject: Re: routing protocols vs Tcp/ip model > Routing protocols have network-layer functionality, regardless of whether &g