Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-26 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Peter Rathlev wrote: We have an RFP out for L2 aggregation equipment and have included the two sections of RIPE 554's Requirements for enterprise/ISP grade \Layer 2 switch\ equipment. One is a list of mandatory requirements listing the following: [snip] We're hearing a

Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-26 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:02:58AM +0100, Peter Rathlev wrote: And if we end up modifying the RFP to make the basic IPv6 support optional we have hopefully at least sent a signal. Yes. The signal is ignore mandatory IPv6 requirements - they will get dropped to optional anyway - which is the

Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-26 Thread Phil Mayers
On 26/11/12 12:23, Daniel Roesen wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:02:58AM +0100, Peter Rathlev wrote: And if we end up modifying the RFP to make the basic IPv6 support optional we have hopefully at least sent a signal. Yes. The signal is ignore mandatory IPv6 requirements - they will get

Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-26 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 13:23 +0100, Daniel Roesen wrote: Yes. The signal is ignore mandatory IPv6 requirements - they will get dropped to optional anyway - which is the partyline I hear from multiple vendors about IPv6 requirements in RFPs. They are very relaxed about those, and it shows

Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-25 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 19:22 +0100, Gert Doering wrote: This is an interesting problem. If one vendor (out of a fairly small group anyway) is listening and providing solutions, while everybody else keeps stalling, what can you do...? Where I work you just roll over and take it. At least that's

Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-25 Thread Peter Rathlev
Thank you all for the input. It seems the general consensus here is that we should put pressure on the vendors to actually implement these things even if they're not available right now. And if we end up modifying the RFP to make the basic IPv6 support optional we have hopefully at least sent a

[c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-24 Thread Peter Rathlev
This is broader than just Cisco, but I'm thinking many people here have experience with other vendors' equipment. We have an RFP out for L2 aggregation equipment and have included the two sections of RIPE 554's Requirements for enterprise/ISP grade \Layer 2 switch\ equipment. One is a list of

Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-24 Thread alan buxey
Hi, Are my assumptions wrong? We're (in part politically) not allowed to require anything that only one or two vendors would be able to fulfill, i'm afraid that you may find only a couple of vondors who actually care about IPv6 - at least in such a way that they do eg RA gaurd, MLDv2

Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-24 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 02:32:59PM +0100, Peter Rathlev wrote: Are my assumptions wrong? We're (in part politically) not allowed to require anything that only one or two vendors would be able to fulfill, though something that lives up to one of the three points above shouldn't be a

Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-24 Thread Frank Bulk
You speak with your dollars... Frank -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Gert Doering Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:23 PM To: Peter Rathlev Cc: cisco-nsp Subject: Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability

Re: [c-nsp] RIPE 554, availability of required IPv6 features

2012-11-24 Thread Phil Mayers
On 11/24/2012 11:00 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: You speak with your dollars... That's the basic idea, but it's often more problematic (as I'm sure everyone here knows). Purchasing and procurement rules are often imposed by other parts of the organisation, and can make it extremely difficult to