Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-30 Thread Groach
On 30/05/2016 19:40, Dennis Peterson wrote: That explains Facebook's popularity. Talking of the scourge of the earth. ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: https://github.com/vrtadmin/clamav-faq http://www.clamav.net/contact.html#ml

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-30 Thread Dennis Peterson
On 5/30/16 10:04 AM, C.D. Cochrane wrote: Password protection requires a little bit of typing, which gives the victim a little more time to think, and possibly just enough time to do the right thing. Virus writers just want dumb users who click, click, click as fast as possible, until it's too

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-30 Thread C.D. Cochrane
Password protection requires a little bit of typing, which gives the victim a little more time to think, and possibly just enough time to do the right thing. Virus writers just want dumb users who click, click, click as fast as possible, until it's too late. ...Chris > Groach wrote: > I guess

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-30 Thread Joel Esler (jesler)
Users are so trained to not open those now, they are defeated, plus conviction of the file is pretty easy generically. The ones going around right now with the JavaScript inside of zip files are much more dynamic. -- Joel Esler iPhone On May 30, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Groach mailto:groachmail-sto

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-30 Thread Joel Esler (jesler)
Haven't seen those in a couple years. They were big in the late 90's. -- Joel Esler iPhone On May 30, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Kris Deugau mailto:kdeu...@vianet.ca>> wrote: Groach wrote: As a side note: is anyone surprised a virus hasnt been released, embedded in a 'password protected' Zip file (

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-30 Thread Kris Deugau
Groach wrote: > As a side note: is anyone surprised a virus hasnt been released, > embedded in a 'password protected' Zip file (to fool AV scans) with the > body of the email sayuing something like "to fight against viruses and > to protect you, it is password protected. Your password is: ABC12

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-29 Thread James Brown
> On 29 May 2016, at 2:12 AM, Groach > wrote: > > But with SANE DEFINITIONS: > > --- SCAN SUMMARY --- > Known viruses: 4512349 > Engine version: 0.99.1 > Scanned directories: 0 > Scanned files: 24 > **Infected files: 23** > > Data scanned: 3.92 MB > Data read: 1.48 MB (ratio 2

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-29 Thread Ned Slider
On 29/05/16 10:22, Groach wrote: On 29/05/2016 10:19, kristen R wrote: It should be obvious although not mentioned that everyone who uses clamav is your fan club. I am a fan. I also believe that clamav is an open source project? So if someone doesn't like this product then they might submit

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-29 Thread C.D. Cochrane
This is too true. But is it possible that over time Virus Total/ClamAV results get so good that black hats give up? Sadly, seems to be an argument in favor of closed source. ...Chris >  > Probably worth pointing out that the black hats have an excellent tool at > their > disposal to test their

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-29 Thread kristen R
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/28/16 6:46 PM, Joel Esler (jesler) wrote: > A. I wish I had a fan club B. Thank you for your input. C. > We'll do better. > > -- Joel Esler Manager, Talos Group It should be obvious although not mentioned that everyone who uses clamav is your

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread Dennis Peterson
Probably worth pointing out that the black hats have an excellent tool at their disposal to test their day zero viruses and that would be Virus Total which happens to use ClamAV among others. It's not a fair fight when we give them the means to defeat us. dp On 5/28/16 7:46 PM, Joel Esler (j

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread Joel Esler (jesler)
A. I wish I had a fan club B. Thank you for your input. C. We'll do better. -- Joel Esler Manager, Talos Group Sent from my iPad On May 28, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Groach mailto:groachmail-stopspammin...@yahoo.com>> wrote: Ooh, Joel, Im going to enjoys replying to this one... On 28/05/2016 2

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread C.D. Cochrane
tated pretty clearly. It really does not matter whether ClamAV adds the item 2 days later or 2 years later. They already got through. ...Chris   > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 7:36 PM > From: Groach > To: "ClamAV users ML" > Subject: Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim:

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread Joel Esler (jesler)
To be honest right now, I'm interested in threats coming out more recently. While yes, your concern is valid, I'd like to hear from someone with a more recent test set. -- Joel Esler iPhone On May 28, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Groach mailto:groachmail-stopspammin...@yahoo.com>> wrote: 24 files, AL

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hello Joel, On Sat, 28 May 2016, Joel Esler wrote: So our recent improvements and detection have not produced any different result in the field? If you're asking me, I think you're asking the wrong person. As I explained in my October 2014 message, I filter out the vast majority of the cr@p

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread Dennis Peterson
Are these true viruses or otherwise harmful (and if so how is that known) or does the list include messages that are unwanted junk mail? If junk mail, which is subjective, there will always be differences between vendor signatures because nobody agrees about what is and is not junk mail. dp O

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread Groach
24 files, ALL OF THEM are viruses of some sort or another (including 1 which is the eicar test virus). ClamAV database: --- SCAN SUMMARY --- Known viruses: 4397481 Engine version: 0.99.1 Scanned directories: 0 Scanned files: 24 **Infected files: 10** Data scanned: 5.27 MB Data

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread Groach
I have several viruses on file that I have accumulated over the last two years or so. I will do a test to see which ones are detected and I will post the results here. On 28 May 2016 17:03:22 CEST, "Joel Esler (jesler)" wrote: >So our recent improvements and detection have not produced any >dif

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread Joel Esler (jesler)
So our recent improvements and detection have not produced any different result in the field? Sent from my Apple Watch On May 28, 2016, at 10:01 AM, G.W. Haywood wrote: > Hi there, > > On Mon, 23 May 2016, C.D. Cochrane wrote: > >> ... ClamAV is just ... > > and on Mon, 23 May 2016, Joel Es

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-28 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Mon, 23 May 2016, C.D. Cochrane wrote: ... ClamAV is just ... and on Mon, 23 May 2016, Joel Esler wrote: Obviously going to disagree. ... I'll disagree too, since ClamAV here sees approximately one virus per annum (and as far as I'm concerned, whether or not ClamAV detects th

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-24 Thread Michael Heseltine
Hello everyone, Am 23.05.2016 um 15:33 schrieb Michael D. L.: On 05/23/2016 02:44 PM, C.D. Cochrane wrote: You may want to look at sanesecurity[.]org. They have a supplemental ClamAV database that is supposed to be better at detecting the current scourge of ransomware and malware. It was rec

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 23 May 2016 14:15:44 C.D. Cochrane wrote: > > Obviously going to disagree. We are pushing almost a thousand pieces > > of detection every four hours now, and that will only increase from > > here. > > 1,000,000 unique submissions per day vs. 6000 "pieces of detection" > per day. If that

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Groach
On 23/05/2016 21:21, Joel Esler wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 08:56:57PM +0200, Groach wrote: On 23/05/2016 20:39, Dave McMurtrie wrote: On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 19:52 +0200, C.D. Cochrane wrote: ClamAV is fast, free, easy to integrate with just about any MTA and it's actively developed. We've

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Joel Esler
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 08:56:57PM +0200, Groach wrote: On 23/05/2016 20:39, Dave McMurtrie wrote: On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 19:52 +0200, C.D. Cochrane wrote: ClamAV is fast, free, easy to integrate with just about any MTA and it's actively developed. We've been running it for years, along with th

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Joel Esler
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 06:39:41PM +, Dave McMurtrie wrote: On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 19:52 +0200, C.D. Cochrane wrote: >> My 2 cents would be that rapid traditional signature updates are not a viable solution to this long term problem. >> I'm pretty sure the current generation of Locky, Dridex

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Dave McMurtrie
On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 19:52 +0200, C.D. Cochrane wrote: > >> My 2 cents would be that rapid traditional signature updates are not a > >> viable solution to this long term problem. > >> I'm pretty sure the current generation of Locky, Dridex, Nemucod, etc. > >> ransomware is generated using millio

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Joel Esler (jesler)
Every AV is losing. That’s why we’re working on alternative things at the same time. -- Joel Esler Manager, Talos Group On May 23, 2016, at 2:15 PM, C.D. Cochrane mailto:c...@post.com>> wrote: Obviously going to disagree. We are pushing almost a thousand pieces of detection every four

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread C.D. Cochrane
> > Obviously going to disagree. We are pushing almost a thousand pieces of > detection > every four hours now, and that will only increase from here. > 1,000,000 unique submissions per day vs. 6000 "pieces of detection" per day. If that is "apples" to "apples" then I'd have to say ClamAV is lo

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Joel Esler (jesler)
-- Joel Esler Manager, Talos Group On May 23, 2016, at 1:52 PM, C.D. Cochrane mailto:c...@post.com>> wrote: My 2 cents would be that rapid traditional signature updates are not a viable solution to this long term problem. I'm pretty sure the current generation of Locky, Dridex, Nemucod, et

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread C.D. Cochrane
>> My 2 cents would be that rapid traditional signature updates are not a >> viable solution to this long term problem. >> I'm pretty sure the current generation of Locky, Dridex, Nemucod, etc. >> ransomware is generated using millions >> of tiny mutations so that almost every email attachment h

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Dennis Peterson
Everything about ClamAV is open source and free. Including the signatures. There is nothing stopping any of us from filling the gaps in signatures. dp On 5/23/16 9:45 AM, Groach wrote: On 23/05/2016 14:44, C.D. Cochrane wrote: Hi Michael, I made a similar inquiry last week (Signature update

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Michael D. L.
On 05/23/2016 03:52 PM, Steve Basford wrote: Excellent - just installed it, and it's already working it's magic :) The views and opinions expressed by Michael in the above post that Sanesecurity possesses magic, are solely his own and do not necessarily represent the views of the ministry of ma

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Steve Basford
On Mon, May 23, 2016 2:33 pm, Michael D. L. wrote: > > > On 05/23/2016 02:44 PM, C.D. Cochrane wrote: > >> Hi Michael and Michael, >> You may want to look at sanesecurity[.]org. They have a supplemental >> ClamAV database that >> is supposed to be better at detecting the current scourge of ranso

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Michael D. L.
On 05/23/2016 02:44 PM, C.D. Cochrane wrote: Hi Michael and Michael, You may want to look at sanesecurity[.]org. They have a supplemental ClamAV database that is supposed to be better at detecting the current scourge of ransomware and malware. It was recommended to me when I noted that Clam

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Arnaud Jacques / SecuriteInfo.com
Hello, Le lundi 23 mai 2016, 14:44:33 C.D. Cochrane a écrit : > Hi Michael and Michael, > You may want to look at sanesecurity[.]org. They have a supplemental ClamAV > database that is supposed to be better at detecting the current scourge of > ransomware and malware. You can check this too : h

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread C.D. Cochrane
Hi Michael and Michael, You may want to look at sanesecurity[.]org. They have a supplemental ClamAV database that is supposed to be better at detecting the current scourge of ransomware and malware. It was recommended to me when I noted that ClamAV seems to miss a LOT of the current malware, b

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Michael D. L.
On 05/23/2016 01:43 PM, Michael Heseltine wrote: Hello all, I have recently modified my exim (4.82) configuration so that all messages pass through clamav (0.99.2) first. Anything labeled as malware should be rejected while the incoming SMTP connection is still open (using an *acl_smtp_data*

[clamav-users] ClamAV+exim: scanner finds not a single malware

2016-05-23 Thread Michael Heseltine
Hello all, I have recently modified my exim (4.82) configuration so that all messages pass through clamav (0.99.2) first. Anything labeled as malware should be rejected while the incoming SMTP connection is still open (using an *acl_smtp_data* in exim). But so far, this setup has not detected