On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:08:15AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
Getting those hacks out of kickstart seems like a good goal for f22,
but I'd like to drop it for now if you agree. What do you think?
+1
thanks y'all!
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be possible, from the server netinstall, but not the
default.) I'm thinking that if that's being done, we should do the same
with Cloud, and just have Cloud images directly under Cloud (with no
repo or rpms there).
What do you think?
This will all need to be revisited for F22 in any case.
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of change.
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audience of beta testers try that out.
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Something is not right
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it and any dependencies will be part of the process.
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On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:00:27AM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
Thoughts, comments, flames?
Works for me. +1 to change as a pre-new-slate official member. :)
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distinct releases? Since it's produced from RPMs that we're making
automatically, isn't it basically something we can offer to users with very
little effort?
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wrt
orchestration and higher levels), having six month release points where
users can transition at their own pace seems appealing. We can maybe look at
discontinuing older versions sooner than the normal 7 month overlap.
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another test harness.
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On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 01:14:37PM -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote:
You guys not pay your bill or something? ;-]
Just spam. Please don't reply to it -- makes the problem worse.
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to fruition.
Take a look at http://fedimg.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ for the Fedimg
service, and particularly
http://fedimg.readthedocs.org/en/latest/consumer/
http://fedimg.readthedocs.org/en/latest/messaging/
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on it, I left it in there.
Hope to have something on this soon. Also relates to converation about
upgrades on the main -devel list
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, but
maybe it's worth doing anyway
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-eng on this?
Yeah, that's probably the best approach. Might put out a call for QA as
well?
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in PVM environment to our validation tests and release criteria.
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) and for
some
It may indeed be that the current problem is new because the disk is no
longer blank in the same way in the new image production process.
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and reboot, but on failure, eh,
you can just hold the power button (or virtual equivalent) and boot
whichever other way.
Here, the situation isn't really reboot -- it's any _second_ boot.
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was thinking to give people a chance to say wait, I'm going to be more
active or you totally left me out unfairly (hopefully that didn't happen,
but seriously, accidental if it did) or also hold on I'm not going to be
able to do this so please don't add me before making a ticket.
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and adjust up and down based on activity.)
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list to coordinate.
+1 (or more). Especially now when we're in a doing phase over a talking
one.
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the
active state of the SIG in the past few months. Anyone opposed?
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a wrinkle in things, when we're talking in the wide world of
Docker where it's not all Fedora (weird, right?) it's probably the Fedora
Base Image -- or _maybe_ the Fedora Docker Base Image.
Do we need a documentation of this somewhere on Fedora Wiki?
Yes!
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, we're trying to basically follow the upstream Atomic specification and
have what they say in the image. I don't think that this would be a problem
in theory, since it's not huge. (But if we're not getting clear answers from
the upstream I guess we can experiment!)
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think that's still in Bill
Nottingham's hands and should be done as a bug in bugzilla?
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to get these in patch form, for anyone unfamiliar with github.
Ian -- what about the change to spin/install?
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in the anaconda UI, but I think that's OK for cloud stuff.
Ah, okay. Ian, do you want to go ahead and do it?
Based on discussion on the cloud list, I guess we _do_ want an environment,
but that's a separable concern from getting it working in kickstart.
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or
something like that).
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Happy to implement anything that's not insane and doesn't cause side
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any important data as we know exactly what is in the
disk image and what the purpose of the image is. We should be able to do
this in the kickstart files and reference the bug so that if/when the bug
is fixed we can remove the workaround.
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represented Cloud, and I'm totally happy to do it again, but if
someone else would like to, that'd be great too. More diversity, more public
faces, more awesome. Anyone interested?
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 05:13:34PM +0200, Haïkel wrote:
Since I'll be one of the few non-redhatter of our group there, I don't mind
to step in.
Awesome -- thanks!
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 10:22:05AM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
Works for me. Can we have a sync session at some point before this? (We
== Cloud WG folks at Flock.)
Yes. :) Should we try to organize that in advance, or do it on the fly while
we're all there?
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about this until just now (one of those
weeks!) and haven't had a chance to think about (let alone look at) what
might be an agenda. Possibly cancel this week?
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guests and server being bare
metal. From the perspective of putting together the release, that does make
some sense, but I think it's mostly a useful distinction from _that_
direction, and not so useful from the user/usecase side.
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to the init daemon and sysv ones.
FTR, I don't think we should block on this unless it affects _all_ such
services; if it only affects an odd case, we should just migrate that
service.
Setting up a general plan for complete migration seems like a good long-term
approach.
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 05:40:33PM +0200, Haïkel wrote:
Let's start voting !
+1 from myself.
+1! Welcome and thanks, Andy!
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* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Smaller_Cloud_Image_Footprint
* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Atomic_Cloud_Image
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the official image to the Docker index in a manner
similar to our other cloud images.
* We may promote it on the web site in some manner, but the primary point
is that we want to appear at https://registry.hub.docker.com/
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for /. (102MB of which is locale-archive. Argh!)
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not much of a difference.
However, I *would* like to see https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/48
resolved -- rsyslog vs. journald. See
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=986511 for the gory details.
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It's just an old, very basic uncompressed format. I suggested that maybe PNG
export would be more convenient, but it's pretty low on the priority list.
:)
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or the like at a more low level in the meantime).
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useful with configuration, not in the default state.)
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like to see a little more coordination so that we're all going in the
same direction. (And, ideally, so that we can actually have images in place
for F21 alpha.)
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-as-fedora-project-leader/, I'm
still very interested in being involved here, but given everything else, I
think the liasion responsibility is something I could hand off to help keep
my life and schedule in some semblance of balance. Discuss at meeting? :)
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on test plan
* Automatic Smoketests on Image Build
* Deliverables and release engineering changes for Fedora.Next
* Project Atomic work tracker
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agree that it's not really a spin.
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care about metrics :)
I think we should care about metrics, and I think this would be very useful
to track, even though I agree it'd be better to combine into one actual
process at this point.
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. I should probably start drinking coffee.
Coffee is delicious. But even in a highly caffeinated state, I'm curious why
you don't think this specific thing is interesting. Unless you are saying
that it's immeasurable because you *care so much*. :)
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of this are new to all of us, and other parts new to a lot of
us, maybe it'd be good to put suggested/reasonable deadlines on some parts
of the responsibilities? That helps put in focus what needs to be done.
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then and branching
(which is 'no earlier than July 8' on current schedule).
As someone who is not actually volunteering to do much more than cheerlead
for this particular bit of writing, that schedule sounds good to _me_
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it integrated into the planned _automatic_ process.)
Anything I'm missing here?
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-bit big data image, but maybe
I'm wrong on that for certain workloads?
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that, and then use Docker's trusted builds process
to produce updated layers.
Does this make sense?
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at https://github.com/scollier/Fedora-Dockerfiles/pull/29)
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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:55:05AM -0500, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
Just bumping this, as only two or three people have responded.
(I am in, btw.)
Did I respond? I hope so. Sorry if not. I'm in. :)
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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 02:03:42PM -0400, Matthew Farrellee wrote:
pile on!
big data applications are generally scale-out, which is currently
not easy to do w/ docker images.
Okay. I retract this one.
Maybe we'll revisit in a couple of years. :)
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where there's no computers or Internet access. If there are any crises this
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/updates/20/Images/x86_64/Fedora-x86_64-20-20140407-sda.qcow2
Yes. That is why they were updated.
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to the how do I boot cloud
images locally and get them their ssh keys and userdata?
Package for F20: https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/juergh/dwarf/
Is the package ready to get into the distribution proper?
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. But, I did set the SMTP from name to
'Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets' so you could additionally filter on that.
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On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 09:31:12AM -0500, Troy Dawson wrote:
I don't know if anyone else is, but I'm still getting these with the
weird To: address.
Not that I don't believe you Robyn, but I'm not seeing it.
I changed another thing. Let us know if still is causing problems.
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off that will be exciting enough to be a feature.
Or, I dunno, maybe it's worth noting at least, for people making their own
images?
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notes separately.
By in place, you mean %packages --excludedocs or something more?
Yeah, again, basically just that. Although we will need the %license change
in order to do this and keep required license files from being left out.
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awewsome.
Thanks everyone!
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On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 02:37:13PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/query?status=acceptedstatus=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedsummary=^Filemilestone=Fedora+21+%28Feature+Deadline%29order=prioritycol=idcol=summarycol=milestonecol=statuscol=ownercol=component
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 05:43:40PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
Also, talk to Garrett (gholms), the current maintainer and coordinate with
him.
Because I was just talking to him about this on IRC, I should add. :)
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want to filter them out, there is an 'X-Trac-Ticket-ID:' header, by
the way.
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afraid. I'll figure it out / make sure
someone figures it out.
But, for the record -- filter mailing lists on List-Id: to avoid all sorts
of problems along these lines.
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Infrastructure hooked up spamassassin, so that's what we're using
now. We'll see how it goes. :)
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for legitimately held messages
is the proverbial search for a needle in a haystack. More people just means
more people being annoyed by that. :) By auto-discarding the messages which
are clearly spam, the moderation queue should be something actually useful.
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coordinate, obviously). Otherwise I will when I get a chance, which is
looking to be Friday or Monday.
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 06:58:45PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
And this report
https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9
will list the tickets with the meeting keyword
And this one for (future) easyfix items:
https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/10
which will hopefully help people dive
://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/Schedule
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. How do other projects handle this?
In a zillion different ways. If you prefer to use github for your workflow,
using their tracker seems reasonable for RFEs -- you can create a wishlist
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to add some components for the high-level work areas, so tickets
can be categorized.
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On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 08:13:07AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
I am +1 to that. Trac is ugly, but it already has the integration and isn't
one more service to worry about. If in the future someone wants to set up
Cantas we can migrate.
Also, I suggest that we start using trac for meeting
for items? posts.
+1
It may take a week or two of calling for people to add meeting keywords. :)
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probably be good idea. We should ask Scott Collier
where he would prefer to track that -- maybe in the github site, maybe in
our trac, maybe in a wiki.
In any case, I'd personally love to see Cantas. :)
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have one yet. :)
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the system to already have been booted and possibly
initially configured with cloud-init. I think we probably want to solve this
by documenting that we are leaving it enabled and that you should either
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I hate to lose momentum, but I also hate directionless meetings. :)
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Apparently registration and talk submission is _now_
http://flocktofedora.org/
Who is planning on going? Thinking about giving a talk?
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section. Have you tested how yum/dnf work with
upgrades (and with yum's feature for protecting the running kernel from
being removed)? Those might need to go in scope and deps too.
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see as valuable. Which is funny to me because that was the case with yum
initially too (we wrote it as a plugin for that reason) but over time it
became a core feature).
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to be done in yum/dnf then. I don't see a way
to do it cleanly in the kernel packages themselves.
Yeah, I agree.
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