future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

2012-12-18 Thread R P Herrold
in the IRC channel, I am advised by 'msavy' that Boxgrinder is on a path to end as a project, and transition into: http://imgfac.org/ which uses underneath: oz https://github.com/clalancette/oz Seemingly also, the former (and somewhat broken) appliance-creator goes away My go

future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

2012-12-18 Thread R P Herrold
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012, David Busby wrote: I think you'll find it hard to get any traction here kickstarts especially in the "cloud front" are used increasingly less in favour of bootstrapping an instance with puppet / chef for provisioning above and beyond the base os. well known, but the non-i

Re: future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

2012-12-18 Thread Andy Grimm
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:15 AM, R P Herrold wrote: > in the IRC channel, I am advised by 'msavy' that Boxgrinder is on a path to > end as a project, and transition into: > http://imgfac.org/ > > which uses underneath: oz > https://github.com/clalancette/oz > > Seemingly also, the

Re: future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

2012-12-18 Thread Mo Morsi
On 12/18/2012 11:15 AM, R P Herrold wrote: > > > I think those 'cloud' working groups are solving the wrong problem at > the wrong place, [some want JEOS to include a listening sshd, and > package install tool; others want rsync, or man, or more, or less ... > the preferences never end and there is

Re: future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

2012-12-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:32:09AM -0500, Andy Grimm wrote: > +1 ... those conversations are mostly just bikeshedding. In an ideal > world, users will be comfortable enough with image building that > having an "official" image will be mostly meaningless. I think that > the world of cloud users is

Re: future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

2012-12-18 Thread Mo Morsi
On 12/18/2012 12:38 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > > I am generally aware of it as a project, and I think follow a blog on > the matter, but not a mailing list. I'll remedy that and read for a > bit. But packaging Ruby has been a 'bear' and seemed to be 'not well > solved' yet. I have no aversion to R

Re: future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

2012-12-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:15:53AM -0500, R P Herrold wrote: > I think those 'cloud' working groups are solving the wrong problem > at the wrong place, [some want JEOS to include a listening sshd, and I think right now, we need to do both. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ __

Re: future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

2012-12-18 Thread Steve Loranz
I completely agree with this. I didn't mean for it to seem otherwise. -steve On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:03 PM, cloud-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: > -- > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:03:51 + > From: Tim Bell > To: Fedora Cloud SIG , > "her

Re: [boxgrinder-dev] future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

2012-12-18 Thread David Busby
Hi Russ, I think you'll find it hard to get any traction here kickstarts especially in the "cloud front" are used increasingly less in favour of bootstrapping an instance with puppet / chef for provisioning above and beyond the base os. The tdl format is somewhat of a stop gap between kickstarts