Databases on Cocoa (was Re: Invoice program made in Objective c/Cocoa)

2009-05-18 Thread Chris Idou
The database situation on Cocoa is not great. Apple should spend some of that cash hoard building or buying an object database. If anyone wants an interesting project, the db4o object database which is written in Java and GPLed comes with a program called Sharpen which translates Java into

Re: Databases on Cocoa (was Re: Invoice program made in Objective c/Cocoa)

2009-05-18 Thread Mike Abdullah
On 18 May 2009, at 14:04, Chris Idou wrote: The database situation on Cocoa is not great. Apple should spend some of that cash hoard building or buying an object database. If anyone wants an interesting project, the db4o object database which is written in Java and GPLed comes with a

Re: Databases on Cocoa (was Re: Invoice program made in Objective c/Cocoa)

2009-05-18 Thread Bill Bumgarner
I'm going to can the excerpts from other posts for a moment and bring this back around to helping to solve Cocoa development problems. Though you might have to scroll down a bit to get there... :) There are actually four different specific technical issues that have been discussed

Re: Databases on Cocoa (was Re: Invoice program made in Objective c/Cocoa)

2009-05-18 Thread Jeffrey Oleander
Yah, it's getting there. It's just not there yet. The data modeling still isn't quite up to ORM standards we had nearly 30 years ago. When we dink with PHP and Python which have handy APIs, it can get to be frustrating. Just provide input via the bugreporter and comments to the docs, and

Re: Databases on Cocoa (was Re: Invoice program made in Objective c/Cocoa)

2009-05-18 Thread Chris Idou
Core Data solves that through the use of a SQLite backing store. SQL based data storage is the standard means of achieving incremental retrieval and storage of data in our industry. If Core Data talked to standard databases like Oracle etc, then I can see that as a selling point. But since

Re: Databases on Cocoa (was Re: Invoice program made in Objective c/Cocoa)

2009-05-18 Thread Robert Martin
If you're trying to say what you think CoreData 'should' be - then take it up with Apple. (which is not this list, by the way) This whole thread is depressing. Is anyone out there who is trying to say that CoreData should be an object database capable of reading the docs? If so, what part

Re: Databases on Cocoa (was Re: Invoice program made in Objective c/Cocoa)

2009-05-18 Thread Steve Steinitz
Hi Bill, Thanks for your high-level assessment. I've long admired your technical skills and writing, so it is with much respect that I offer some counterpoint. I'm compelled because I have a vested interest and I love Core Data. On 18/5/09, Bill Bumgarner b...@mac.com wrote: sticking a

Re: Databases on Cocoa (was Re: Invoice program made in Objective c/Cocoa)

2009-05-18 Thread Bill Bumgarner
(trying to keep this on-topic...) On May 18, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Steve Steinitz wrote: On 18/5/09, Bill Bumgarner b...@mac.com wrote: sticking a SQLite database on a network filesystem and trying to go multi-user is... just don't do it. Oops, too late for me. Its been in production at a busy