Re: I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-21 Thread Dave
On 15 Jul 2015, at 15:01, Raglan T. Tiger r...@crusaderrabbit.net wrote: On Jul 15, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Michael David Crawford mdcrawf...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't realize that Apple's engineers hang out at Reddit. They do not. Nutcases do. -rags Are the two mutually exclusive

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2015-07-21 Thread Chris Hanson
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2015-07-21 Thread Michael David Crawford
My post is technical. My concern is that new bugs are created faster than old ones are fixed, also that many of those who experience defects do not understand that they are defects. For example it is very common for users to regard crashes and data loss as their own fault, because they arent

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2015-07-21 Thread Chris Hanson
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I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-15 Thread Michael David Crawford
Please understand that I do not wish to get anyone in trouble. It is common for heads to roll over product defects. That is not even remotely my objective. To be perfectly clear: this is a widespread, systemic problem in many industries but in my own experience and that of many others it is

Re: I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-15 Thread Alex Zavatone
Same here. I ran QA for one of the Director and Shockwave teams at Macromedia back in the mid 1990s. Based on the result of effort put in to reporting bugs and amount fixed, there is no way I can justify reporting bugs even if I had the time to afford to do it. The time lost (that our

Re: I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-15 Thread dangerwillrobinsondanger
Yet in the time you spent wasting keystrokes on this thread, you both could easily have filed bugs. On Jul 15, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: Same here. I ran QA for one of the Director and Shockwave teams at Macromedia back in the mid 1990s. Based on the result

Re: I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-15 Thread 2551
On 15 Jul 2015, at 18:38, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: Based on the result of effort put in to reporting bugs and amount fixed, there is no way I can justify reporting bugs even if I had the time to afford to do it. Well it depends. If we’re talking bug reporting to insert name of

Re: I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-15 Thread Raglan T. Tiger
On Jul 15, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Michael David Crawford mdcrawf...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't realize that Apple's engineers hang out at Reddit. They do not. Nutcases do. -rags ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not

Re: I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-15 Thread Alex Zavatone
On Jul 15, 2015, at 8:07 AM, 2551 wrote: On 15 Jul 2015, at 18:38, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: Based on the result of effort put in to reporting bugs and amount fixed, there is no way I can justify reporting bugs even if I had the time to afford to do it. Well it depends. If

Re: I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-15 Thread Raglan T. Tiger
On Jul 15, 2015, at 1:18 AM, Michael David Crawford mdcrawf...@gmail.com wrote: Please understand that I do not wish to get anyone in trouble. It is common for heads to roll over product defects. That is not even remotely my objective. Take it to Reddit and leave us alone. -rags

Re: I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-15 Thread Michael David Crawford
On 7/15/15, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote: Yet in the time you spent wasting keystrokes on this thread, you both could easily have filed bugs. In the time I could have wasted by filing bugs, I actually did write: I State This That It May Be

Re: I am reluctant to file any more bugs until those already reported are fixed

2015-07-15 Thread Michael David Crawford
On 7/15/15, Raglan T. Tiger r...@crusaderrabbit.net wrote: Take it to Reddit and leave us alone. Thanks for setting me straight. I didn't realize that Apple's engineers hang out at Reddit. Mike -- Michael David Crawford, Consulting Software Engineer mdcrawf...@gmail.com