Re: Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Quincey Morris
On Jan 25, 2013, at 22:39 , Martin Hewitson wrote: > This was held for moderation for being too large (for some reason), so I've > trimmed it and resent it. Yes, this happens sometimes when you paste something with formatting into an email as unformatted text. I don't think my post (that you'r

Re: Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Martin Hewitson
This was held for moderation for being too large (for some reason), so I've trimmed it and resent it. >> >> Should I interpret this as a window trying to message the object? Am I >> somehow over-reasling? Under ARC, I can't, right? If it's not coming from a >> window, how can I figure out whi

Re: Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Keary Suska
On Jan 25, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Martin Hewitson wrote: >> First things first--you are getting a crash, which means that the debugger >> should put you exactly in the place where you can inspect the arguments >> being sent via this method which will likely tell you what object is sending >> it and

Re: Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Quincey Morris
(resent) On Jan 25, 2013, at 07:52 , Martin Hewitson wrote: > 2111 0x10a395410 MHControlsTabBarController Retain 2 > 03:29.823.791 0 TeXnicle-[TeXProjectDocument > controlsTabBarController] > 2112 0x10a395410 MHControlsTabBarController Autorelease

Re: Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Martin Hewitson
Hi Keary, I appreciate your response. I'll try to answer below. >> >> In a document based app running under ARC, I've been struggling for an >> eternity to get to the bottom of an occasional crash which happens when >> closing a document. I've spent a huge amount of time working on my -tearD

Re: Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Quincey Morris
On Jan 25, 2013, at 10:33 , Quincey Morris wrote: > Since the retain count goes from 1 to 0 here Aargh, did it again! The count is actually going from 2 to 1 in your history. I meant of course, discounting the balanced retain/release pairs, it's the last remaining retain count being decrement

Re: Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Greg Parker
On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Martin Hewitson wrote: > 2117 0x10a395410 MHControlsTabBarController Zombie -1 > 03:31.405.789 0 AppKit -[NSWindow sendEvent:] > > Should I interpret this as a window trying to message the object? Am I > somehow over-reasling? Under ARC, I

Re: Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Andy Lee
On Jan 25, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Martin Hewitson wrote: > Should I interpret this as a window trying to message the object? Am I > somehow over-reasling? Under ARC, I can't, right? Assuming there isn't a bug in ARC, you could still be over-releasing if: * You're supporting 10.6 and so you're usi

Re: Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Keary Suska
On Jan 25, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Martin Hewitson wrote: > In a document based app running under ARC, I've been struggling for an > eternity to get to the bottom of an occasional crash which happens when > closing a document. I've spent a huge amount of time working on my -tearDown > procedure which

Zombie object being messaged - why?

2013-01-25 Thread Martin Hewitson
Dear list, In a document based app running under ARC, I've been struggling for an eternity to get to the bottom of an occasional crash which happens when closing a document. I've spent a huge amount of time working on my -tearDown procedure which I call in my NSDocument subclass' -windowWillClo