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Hadoop QA commented on HADOOP-6685:
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-1 overall. Here are the results of testing the l
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Scott Carey commented on HADOOP-6685:
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I apologize for replying to something from the
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> But your real concern is that the configura
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Allen Wittenauer commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> You should be able to do that. Supp
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Allen> If I want to build a mass documentatio
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Allen Wittenauer commented on HADOOP-6685:
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(side note: i really hate the unexpe
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Allen is reaffirming my point that we don't
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Allen Wittenauer commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> works against integrating external
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Allen, binary might enable you to configure t
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Allen Wittenauer commented on HADOOP-6685:
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I think it is inevitable that Hadoop
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> The API is binary.
The API is not binary t
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Let's just pick one of Yaml or JSON
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Owen,
The benefits of binary that you cite a
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Hadoop QA commented on HADOOP-6685:
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-1 overall. Here are the results of testing the la
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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If we can read/write YAML, what rea
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> We don't have one right now. We have XML an
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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If we used JSON as the standard str
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> It is the responsibility of the container t
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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serializations might not be directl
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> I haven't heard of any use cases where the
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Since configurations are meant to b
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> I guess I could add a method to Serializati
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Map permits easy non-Java access to
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Rather than stall the dependent work while
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Sanjay Radia commented on HADOOP-6685:
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@Doug> Progress stopped on HADOOP-6659 when E
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> In both cases, the metadata is specific to
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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I don't yet see an advantage for op
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Chris, thanks for clarifying. Yes, I'd prefe
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Chris Douglas commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Doug> I'll try to be clearer. As I understa
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Looks like that after all JIRA comm
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Konstantin Boudnik commented on HADOOP-6685:
bq. Owen O'Malley added a comment
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Was this the feedback I gave on MAPREDUCE-
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Tom White commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Owen> All of the technical feedback for this patch
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Chris> The existential question of the scope
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Chris Douglas commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Nigel> There's some truth in what you say (
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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lack of compromise on this patch
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Chris, while I no longer seek direct support
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Nigel Daley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. Part of what has fueled the worst of this t
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Chris Douglas commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. The ASF would veto any release of Hadoo
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Chris Douglas commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. This line of reasoning is overly genera
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Ryan Holmes commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. Avro is already a dependency. Thrift is alr
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Scott Carey commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. That is interesting. I had never seen shade
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Luke Lu commented on HADOOP-6685:
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I see the discussion mired down in implementation detai
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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I should have been clearer. The metadata is
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Tom brought up a lot of good points
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Scott Carey commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Tom brought up a lot of good points.
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Tom White commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> This isn't true. SequenceFile needs to be changed
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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SequenceFile does not support index
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Owen> [Avro data files] don't support indices
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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The first is that no change is need
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Eli Collins commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. unless the build file was set up to exclude
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Nigel Daley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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+1 to JSON.
> Change the generic serialization
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Steve Loughran commented on HADOOP-6685:
I've been doing lots of JSON work recentl
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Konstantin Boudnik commented on HADOOP-6685:
bq. However, in the case of a PB
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Tom> I actually prefer strings in serializati
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Tom White commented on HADOOP-6685:
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I have two serious issues with the current patch, w
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> There are no current replacements for its f
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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We should refrain from adding any n
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> I question the validity of Doug's veto. His
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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I question the validity of Doug's veto. His
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Arun C Murthy commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. I have never proposed dropping Sequence
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> There is petabytes of data in SequenceFile
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Arun C Murthy commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Now, can you please retract your veto on th
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Arun C Murthy commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. I agree. So let's create new formats ou
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> Hadoop as a framework should not be in the
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Arun C Murthy commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> So, the patch, as it stands allow
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Chris Douglas commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. Creating new concrete data formats that
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Arun C Murthy commented on HADOOP-6685:
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A couple of fresh pairs of eyes on this jir
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> So, the patch, as it stands allows Sequence
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Arun C Murthy commented on HADOOP-6685:
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I would be willing to entertain non
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> What would a compromise solution look like?
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Arun C Murthy commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> By making the framework use typed
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Chris Douglas commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. I had hoped that not threatening a veto
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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This sounds like a documentation is
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> Getting ProtocolBuffers, Thrift, and Avro t
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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There were a few driving goals:
* Getting P
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Arun C Murthy commented on HADOOP-6685:
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For those of us not as familiar wit
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Eli Collins commented on HADOOP-6685:
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For those of us not as familiar with the releva
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Arun C Murthy commented on HADOOP-6685:
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I do not agree that an array of byt
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Hadoop QA commented on HADOOP-6685:
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-1 overall. Here are the results of testing the la
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Eli, thanks for refocusing discussion on the
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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It'd be nicer to have a more specif
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Eli Collins commented on HADOOP-6685:
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It seems like the high-level discussion got sid
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Luke Lu commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Regarding patch v6:
h4. About thrift:
Since the maven
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Tom, I understood your point. You aren't se
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Tom White commented on HADOOP-6685:
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My point was about modularity: the core should not
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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We should not force a single persis
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> you'd like Avro to be the one and only seri
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Is there a strong reason to use Pro
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> I'm only adding ProtocolBuffers, which is a
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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So users don't care about the vers
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Tom White commented on HADOOP-6685:
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bq. Avro is already a dependency. Thrift is already
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Indeed they aren't optional depende
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Owen> they aren't optional dependences.
Inde
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Owen O'Malley commented on HADOOP-6685:
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@Luke - I agree it is a last resort. They h
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Tom White commented on HADOOP-6685:
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Here's my feedback on the patch:
# I think the new
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Luke Lu commented on HADOOP-6685:
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THRIFT-363 addresses the thrift maven deploy, even thou
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Hadoop QA commented on HADOOP-6685:
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-1 overall. Here are the results of testing the la
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Hadoop QA commented on HADOOP-6685:
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-1 overall. Here are the results of testing the la
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Doug Cutting commented on HADOOP-6685:
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> That support is much easier if the metadata
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