Re: [general] How much to focus on minimising dependencies Was: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java

2004-06-03 Thread Serge Knystautas
Henri Yandell wrote: Siblings sometimes have to depend on each other, but it's the same type of dependency as inter-project dependencies. Allowing for a single class to be copy and pasted is too much though. I agree with the above part. I don't see how that simply making this statement is

RE: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java

2004-06-02 Thread Tim O'Brien
-Original Message- From: Stephen Colebourne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:24 PM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java I'm confused -- why shouldn't

[general] How much to focus on minimising dependencies Was: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java

2004-06-02 Thread Henri Yandell
-arguments to this viewpoint. Hen On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Tim O'Brien wrote: -Original Message- From: Stephen Colebourne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:24 PM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org

[lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java

2004-06-01 Thread Michael Heuer
On 1 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: scolebourne2004/06/01 14:25:35 Modified:lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java Log: Ensure Validate has no inter-lang dependencies I'm confused -- why shouldn't a class in [lang] have dependencies to other classes in [lang]?

Re: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java

2004-06-01 Thread Stephen Colebourne
I'm confused -- why shouldn't a class in [lang] have dependencies to other classes in [lang]? Isn't this taking things too far?? Its part of [lang] being broad and shallow. In effect, [lang] is a loose grouping of APIs in a similar vein. As such it should be easily broken into many parts. ie.

RE: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java

2004-06-01 Thread Gary Gregory
-Original Message- From: Michael Heuer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Heuer Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 15:10 To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta- commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java On 1 Jun 2004 [EMAIL

Re: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java

2004-06-01 Thread matthew.hawthorne
Gary Gregory wrote: Sorry for the flame but this is a 'shake-my-head-in-disbelief' moment that I find discouraging. I pretty much agree, but from my POV [lang] stopped moving forward a while ago anyway. Most new requests or ideas are rejected as out of scope (which is usually valid), and the

RE: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java

2004-06-01 Thread Simon Kitching
On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 10:54, Gary Gregory wrote: I agree with Michael. When did this become is this a design goal? I am against it. :-( It is one thing to say, I'll cut and paste [lang] code /into/ my own project, and yes, I know about duplicating code, not getting bug fixes, etc. It

Re: [lang] Re: cvs commit: jakarta-commons/lang/src/java/org/apache/commons/lang Validate.java

2004-06-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, matthew.hawthorne wrote: Gary Gregory wrote: Sorry for the flame but this is a 'shake-my-head-in-disbelief' moment that I find discouraging. I pretty much agree, but from my POV [lang] stopped moving forward a while ago anyway. Most new requests I believe this is