Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

> > Just please make sure that whoever you talk to is actually authorized to > > legally donate the rights to the images. We've had several cases where > > someone at a company has donated a collection of images, but we later > had to > > delete them all because the representative didn't actually c

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

Information is very scattered, but I added some links from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Content_partnerships and its parent category (although not all releases are actual "partnerships"). There's probably more stuff on OTRS wiki:

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

On 21 September 2012 00:12, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Geoff (WMF general council) suggests that if we're going to put them on > wiki, we should anonymize them, e.g. "Company X donated 2000 images...", > otherwise, he doesn't have a problem with it. > And that is why you don't ask the legal department

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

Andrew Gray, 21/09/2012 12:54: There's a difference between "it's out there if you know where to look" and "we're actively drawing attention to it", though... Yes and a mailing list post surely falls in the latter category more than an orphan random page on a wiki. Nemo

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

On 21 September 2012 09:15, John Vandenberg wrote: > Its already public > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2012-September/006693.html > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_in_Category:People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals > > http://commons.wi

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

Its already public http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2012-September/006693.html http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_in_Category:People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Caf%C3%A9_Magazine p

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

Geoff (WMF general council) suggests that if we're going to put them on wiki, we should anonymize them, e.g. "Company X donated 2000 images...", otherwise, he doesn't have a problem with it. Ryan Kaldari On 9/18/12 7:11 PM, Gaurav Vaidya wrote: Hi Ryan, On 18-Sep-2012, at 3:14 PM, Ryan Kald

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

Lemme check with the legal department to make sure they wouldn't have any objections to putting it on-wiki. Ryan Kaldari On 9/18/12 7:11 PM, Gaurav Vaidya wrote: Hi Ryan, On 18-Sep-2012, at 3:14 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: Let me offer a few case studies of cases in which a company has donated i

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

Hi Ryan, On 18-Sep-2012, at 3:14 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Let me offer a few case studies of cases in which a company has donated > images and then asked to have them deleted. Those case studies are fascination! Would it be okay if I copied it into http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Guid

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

Let me offer a few case studies of cases in which a company has donated images and then asked to have them deleted. In one case we successfully kept the images, in two other cases we didn't... Case #1: Pearson Scott Foresman (educational publishing company) Donated: A couple thousand non-digiti

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

On 9/18/12 1:02 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: One problem is that it's often not clear who actually *has* that authority in most organisations, even for someone within it. Where they deal with image licensing as a general rule (cultural institutions, publishers, media, etc) there'll usually be a system

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

On 18 September 2012 15:38, David Gerard wrote: > It is if we want to get stuff that will benefit us. Are you actually > reading this thread or just randomly typing things? Small scales releases tend to have a poor hassle to results ratio. Particularly when our image archives are already pretty

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

On 18 September 2012 15:29, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > David Gerard, 18/09/2012 11:52: >> That word "just" ... you're trivialising that doing a simple thing has >> actually caused problems in the past. It would not have solved the >> PETA or Cafe Magazine examples, for example. > Internal pro

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > David Gerard, 18/09/2012 11:52: > > That word "just" ... you're trivialising that doing a simple thing has >> actually caused problems in the past. It would not have solved the >> PETA or Cafe Magazine examples, for example. >> > > In

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

David Gerard, 18/09/2012 11:52: That word "just" ... you're trivialising that doing a simple thing has actually caused problems in the past. It would not have solved the PETA or Cafe Magazine examples, for example. Internal problems of corporations can't be solved by us. Nemo

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

On 18 September 2012 10:43, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > David Gerard, 18/09/2012 11:28: >> The target I'm thinking of is PR people who are actually fans of >> WIkipedia (these exist and are enthusiastic) and who can see something >> useful to them (get their pics into Wikipedia). So the trick i

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

That does not solve the problem to do flickr washing, that just convince me more that we should not import from flickr. 2012/9/18 Federico Leva (Nemo) > David Gerard, 18/09/2012 11:28: > > The target I'm thinking of is PR people who are actually fans of >> WIkipedia (these exist and are enthusi

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

David Gerard, 18/09/2012 11:28: The target I'm thinking of is PR people who are actually fans of WIkipedia (these exist and are enthusiastic) and who can see something useful to them (get their pics into Wikipedia). So the trick is how to make an image donation reasonably safe without causing so

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

The simplest thing is to send a photographer from the closest chapter IMO ^_^. 2012/9/18 David Gerard > On 18 September 2012 09:25, Federico Leva (Nemo) > wrote: > > Andrew Gray, 18/09/2012 10:02: > > >> A couple of probable rules of thumb for our own comfort: > >> a) The more senior the contac

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

On 18 September 2012 09:25, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Andrew Gray, 18/09/2012 10:02: >> A couple of probable rules of thumb for our own comfort: >> a) The more senior the contact (or the smaller the organisation they're >> in) the more likely they are to have authority; >> b) Any indication t

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

Andrew Gray, 18/09/2012 10:02: A couple of probable rules of thumb for our own comfort: a) The more senior the contact (or the smaller the organisation they're in) the more likely they are to have authority; b) Any indication that a legal, publishing, or licensing department was involved, the mo

[Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

One problem is that it's often not clear who actually *has* that authority in most organisations, even for someone within it. Where they deal with image licensing as a general rule (cultural institutions, publishers, media, etc) there'll usually be a system in place, but if not, the person we're de

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

On 18 September 2012 01:27, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Just please make sure that whoever you talk to is actually authorized to > legally donate the rights to the images. We've had several cases where > someone at a company has donated a collection of images, but we later had to > delete them all beca

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

Just please make sure that whoever you talk to is actually authorized to legally donate the rights to the images. We've had several cases where someone at a company has donated a collection of images, but we later had to delete them all because the representative didn't actually control the rig

Re: [Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

David Gerard, 12/09/2012 21:28: *However*, it occurs to me that one thing we could do with more of is high-quality imagery, and companies have a pile of this stuff. Often professional shots of whatever that they've taken for promotion that sit in a box forever. WMIT (Frieda in particular) const

[Commons-l] Getting corporate representatives to donate photos

In my volunteer job as Wikimedia press contact, I've been doing rather a lot of liaison with public relations people and other corporate representatives wanting to get their clients onto Wikipedia. You can see how this is a rather conflicted area. [1] *However*, it occurs to me that one thing we c