Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-14 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:45:31 +0900, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is when I started feeling that having all my history in big berkeley DB files which I could not cat was kinda scary... That's why the Subversion developers kindly gave us all sorts of ways to make backups:

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-14 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Jun 14, 2004, at 8:37 AM, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:45:31 +0900, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is when I started feeling that having all my history in big berkeley DB files which I could not cat was kinda scary... That's why the Subversion developers kindly

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Jun 11, 2004, at 2:20 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: 1) Website needs to be in SVN, else we'll still need accounts for everyone who wants to modify their site annd do releases. Are the SVN based projects taking an approach that handles this? Will it? In the company we

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Jun 11, 2004, at 10:35 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Brian McCallister wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask umask 0002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask -S u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rx and set the group sticky bit on the repository home so that group is preserved

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-14 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Jun 14, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Jun 11, 2004, at 2:20 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: 1) Website needs to be in SVN, else we'll still need accounts for everyone who wants to modify their site annd do releases. Are the SVN based projects taking an

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-14 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Jun 14, 2004, at 6:04 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Jun 11, 2004, at 10:35 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Brian McCallister wrote: .. snipped subtle umask magic which needs to fit the ... operational culture of the community. .. good hint, thanks. As we had some

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 06:13:17PM +0200, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: ... Cause it actually lives on another machine than the repo (with an ocean in between). We tried this however for the toy site wleiden.webweaving.org:8080/svn/node-config/ (just 3.5Gb and a few thousands commits sofar) and

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-13 Thread Felipe Leme
I second what Niclas said. It's a rare situation, but when it happens, it's a pain to recover (like, you press ^C because you regretted a commit but you end up regretting have pressed ^C due to the mess it caused :-) Felipe On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 12:11, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 11 June

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-13 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Jun 11, 2004, at 10:35 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Brian McCallister wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask umask 0002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask -S u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rx and set the group sticky bit on the repository home so that group is preserved good hint, thanks. As we had

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-13 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Jun 11, 2004, at 5:33 PM, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 10:23, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 11 June 2004 18:17, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On a positive note; do look at subversion; play with it - and note that its modern infrastructure and standard based protocols do

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-12 Thread Brian W. Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 17:43, James Duncan Davidson wrote: On Jun 11, 2004, at 08:45, Pier Fumagalli wrote: That is when I started feeling that having all my history in big berkeley DB files which I could not cat was kinda scary... Yeah, it's a bit scary for the largish project that I'm

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Heu.., a couple of questions from the totally ignorant (me). 1) what is an atomic commit? Do I need to wear a irradiation-protective suit to use it? 2) How easy is it to migrate an existing CVS repo to subversion? Thanks in advance for your response, even if it is RTFM. At 01:04 PM 6/11/2004

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Henri Yandell
dummy -dP flags to update so that I can stop getting errors... Did I mention atomic commits ? -Brian ps: atomic commits On Jun 11, 2004, at 6:17 AM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: In reaction to some worried emails related to some projects moving from CVS to Subversion. - Do

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
, but apparently other people encountered them. 2) How easy is it to migrate an existing CVS repo to subversion? infra has nifty scripts to convert everything including branches and history. Vadim Thanks in advance for your response, even if it is RTFM. At 01:04 PM 6/11/2004, Brian McCallister wrote: I

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Brian W. Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 07:20, Henri Yandell wrote: 2) Tagging is clumsy. (I may just not be seeing it in the manual). It seems hard to tag a directory and files not in that directory with a tag, or tag a directory without tagging every file in it. Since a tag is essentially a 'copy' in

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Jim Moore
administration, that's when the transactions really rock. -Jim Moore - Original Message - From: Vadim Gritsenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: Re: CVS and Subversion Ceki Gülcü wrote: Heu.., a couple of questions from

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Brian W. Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 08:29, Henri Yandell wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: I know of no uses cases for what you're describing... do you have one? Two of them. 1) Common for a piece of taggable code to inherit something outside of its directory, usually either a

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 11 June 2004 21:02, Jim Moore wrote: Actually, the all or nothing part of the transaction isn't a big deal because, as you said, it's very rare that a commit in CVS would fail. But I often change my mind half way through... (lazy thought-loading), Ctrl-C, and CVS is 'half way

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 11 June 2004 18:17, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On a positive note; do look at subversion; play with it - and note that its modern infrastructure and standard based protocols do allow for levels of integration previously hard to attain. Another note that noone seems to consider,

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
On Jun 11, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Subversion eats almost all CPU cycles on a 2.4 Linux Kernel, on updates and commits. Often so much that even the mouse is no longer tracking, and always making my entire desktop fairly unresponsive. And for Avalon that means ~1minute on my

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Brian W. Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 10:23, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 11 June 2004 18:17, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On a positive note; do look at subversion; play with it - and note that its modern infrastructure and standard based protocols do allow for levels of integration previously hard

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Thom May
* Niclas Hedhman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Another note that noone seems to consider, which I think is fairly important (read annoying); Subversion eats almost all CPU cycles on a 2.4 Linux Kernel, on updates and commits. Often so much that even the mouse is no longer tracking, and

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 11 June 2004 23:23, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Subversion eats almost all CPU cycles on a 2.4 Linux Kernel, on updates and commits. Am I the only one who have this problem??? I am only using SVN CLI. [EMAIL PROTECTED] niclas]$ uname -a Linux f2.hedhman.org 2.4.20-20.9 #1 Mon Aug 18

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 11 Jun 2004, at 22:02, Jim Moore wrote: Actually, the all or nothing part of the transaction isn't a big deal because, as you said, it's very rare that a commit in CVS would fail. Problem being (though) is that I've seen Subversion (1.0.2 under Linux) fail right because

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Brian McCallister
We hit this a number of times with svn+ssh until we got everyone to properly set their umask. haven't had it happen since then, however. -Brian On Jun 11, 2004, at 2:15 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 11 Jun 2004, at 22:02, Jim Moore wrote: Actually, the all or nothing part

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 13:15, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 11 Jun 2004, at 22:02, Jim Moore wrote: Actually, the all or nothing part of the transaction isn't a big deal because, as you said, it's very rare that a commit in CVS would fail. Problem

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Brian McCallister
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask umask 0002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask -S u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rx and set the group sticky bit on the repository home so that group is preserved -Brian On Jun 11, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Brian McCallister wrote: We hit this a number of