Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-28 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Andrew Savory wrote: > Rumour has it that the McCarthy report [2] has been withdrawn from next > week's European Parliament agenda. > > [2] http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/amccarthy0206/index.en.html Aye - I've heard the same; but Cordis still shows it on the r

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-28 Thread Andrew Savory
Hi, On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Andrew Savory wrote: > Some of you may already be aware that on 1st September the European > parliament will vote [1] on the issue of software patents. > > [1] http://swpat.ffii.org/news/03/plen0620/index.en.html Rumour has it that the McCarthy report [2] has been withd

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-28 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Terrific. In Germany, political parties _are_ charitable organizations ("gemeinnützig") and donations to them are fully tax-deductable. Regards Henning On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 20:28, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, David Reid wrote: > > Bill, are you seriousl

Re: EU Software Patents protest action

2003-08-28 Thread James Mitchell
- Original Message - From: "Steven Noels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: EU Software Patents protest action Hi peeps, my colleagues are just back from the live demo

EU Software Patents protest action

2003-08-27 Thread Steven Noels
Hi peeps, my colleagues are just back from the live demonstration in front of the EU offices. Several hundreds of people where effectively there, and while we will never know whether such actions have any effect, I was proud to be able to tell them that all ASF sites were participating with the on

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-27 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, David Reid wrote: > Bill, are you seriously saying that laws in the EU will not have any impact > on the way the ASF carries on it's affairs? It saddens me as I thought we'd > moved away from this sort of small minded view of the world :( No, it means that, at least as far as

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-27 Thread David Reid
This particular line of reasoning doesn't sit very well with me. Bill, are you seriously saying that laws in the EU will not have any impact on the way the ASF carries on it's affairs? It saddens me as I thought we'd moved away from this sort of small minded view of the world :( david > At 12:4

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-27 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 12:44 PM 8/26/2003, Danny Angus wrote: >If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing >software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. I will say that I'm pleased the members were able to turn the ship so quickly to support the initiative, it sho

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-27 Thread Henri Gomez
Danny Angus a écrit : If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1, this EU works (as many others), is a shame - To unsubscribe, e-

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-27 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
> In any case, I'd like to advise everyone to state your opposition by > just writing to your Representative/Member of EU Parliament: see > http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep5/owa/ > p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN&iorig=home for their mail and postal > addresses. And when you do - _please_ use a fax or

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-27 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Danny Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to > opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the > demo. Same here. Stefan -

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > I predict that it will be really ugly. Fortunately, there are Open > > Source friendly companies like IBM, so with their patronage, Open > > Source can succeed. Should they turn face, ugly will be an understatement. > Agreed, but did you know: [that IBM is the world’s most prolific patenter]

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Erik Abele
On 26/08/2003, at 10:22, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I predict that it will be really ugly. Fortunately, there are Open Source friendly companies like IBM, so with their patronage, Open Source can succeed. Should they turn face, ugly will be an understatement. Agreed, but did you know: 'As the world’

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Is having the real home page one click or 60-seconds away for one day > really something that bugs the Apache userbase a lot? No. I think what you did was fine in that regard, and have already commented on it. We are apparently still dealing with mail-lag. :-) > I know that patents will be a

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
rom: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 26 August 2003 18:07 > > To: community@apache.org > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: EU Software Patents > > > > > > --On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:09:14 +0100 Andrew Savory > > <[EM

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Noel J. Bergman wrote: I am in favor of opposing software patents (they aren not working out great in the USA), but we should not disadvantage our users. If we post anything, as we did regarding the JCP, it should not prevent our users from easily using the site. Pardon me, but I would say that th

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I am in favor of opposing software patents (they aren not working out great in the USA), but we should not disadvantage our users. If we post anything, as we did regarding the JCP, it should not prevent our users from easily using the site. People count on the ASF, and while we may want them to f

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Steven Noels
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Danny Angus wrote: > If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing > software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. Ditto here: Apache standing up against SW patents might show the industry they can't play nice with open sourc

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Erik Abele
On 26/08/2003, at 07:44, Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. d. +1 and +1! just FYI: the ISOC members are currently discussing the same issues but it's probably also too

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: If someone (since there seems to be a lot of people +1'ing it) can come up with a *suitable* page for us to post, if we get a go-ahead from the board, then I'll post it (at least on www). I'd like to see a page contain: - the ASF logo so that this is obvious this is our

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Sander Striker
> If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing > software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1 Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-m

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 19:18:38 +0200 Gianugo Rabellino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is an "almost standard" page at http://swpat.ffii.org/group/demo/demo.en.html, so it would just be a matter of downloading and setting an .htaccess rule. But I understand that it might be pretty late t

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. Same for both here, if it wasn't clear enough already. :-) -- Gianugo Rabellino Pro-netics s.r.l. - http://www.pro-netics.com Orixo, the

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Giacomo Pati
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Danny Angus wrote: > > If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing > software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1 for me -- Giacomo Pati Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com Orixo, the XML business alliance - ht

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread André Malo
* Thom May wrote: > * Danny Angus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : >> >> If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing >> software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. > ditto and ditto. +1. nd

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Ben Hyde
Andrew Savory wrote: Some of you may already be aware that on 1st September the European parliament will vote [1] on the issue of software patents. ... In protest against the directive, an online demo [3] is being co-ordinated, proposing that web sites shut [4] on 27th August. Obviously, the more

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Lars Eilebrecht
According to Danny Angus: > If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing > software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1! ciao... -- Lars Eilebrecht - Beat me, whip me, make me use Windows! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread David Reid
At the risk of sounding like an AOL user, - me too! > If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing > software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1 for both. david - To unsu

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Thom May
* Danny Angus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing > software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. ditto and ditto. -Thom - To unsubscribe

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Danny Angus
pache.org > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: EU Software Patents > > > --On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:09:14 +0100 Andrew Savory > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd like to propose that we "close" (ie swap the front page for a > > protest

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I'd like to propose that we "close" (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Not to belittle this protest, but we do a good job of bringing our own sites down ourselves (or UnitedLayer does). If we were to do this, IMHO, it

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:09:14 +0100 Andrew Savory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to propose that we "close" (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Not to belittle this protest, but we do a good job of bringing our own sites down our

EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Andrew Savory
Hi, Some of you may already be aware that on 1st September the European parliament will vote [1] on the issue of software patents. This is something that will directly affect all ASF projects, despite the care that we take in guaranteeing copyright of contributed code. Approved patents are not m