Re: idiot.html

2002-10-30 Thread Glen Stampoultzis
there is one particular flame war that i remember. someone asked a tomcat question. i quite politely offered a possible solution but told them to ask on the tomcat list since that's where all the experts hang out. this descended quickly into a hideous flame war. Since moving general@ down to th

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > one of the continual battles we've had at jakarta is policing the > mailing list and general in particular. > > people wanting to join a mailing list from the jakarta list have to go > through two pages to get the actual lists in order to try to

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-30 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stephen McConnell wrote: > As I said before, Jon is unique. I hope he is a Apache member! You bet. Jon, Pier and I were nominated by Brian Behlendorf in 1999 and where the first three committers coming from the java world that later became jakarta/xml -- Stefano Mazzocchi

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Daniel Rall
Okay, it was funny the first time, but now it's REALLY FUNNY! /me is laughing so hard he's nearly in tears "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Using Sam as a blast shield seems safer ;-) > > Sam Ruby wrote: > > > Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > >> > >> With all due respect, you might be

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
robert burrell donkin wrote: ... but i'm not sure how much more can be done. the lists are so busy that they have to be policed. it'd be a good idea to come up with some better solutions. maybe we could increase the size of the email footers Is it technically possible to add *headers* instead o

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread robert burrell donkin
cat list. He replied : I'm on the correct list, so why don't you answer me.. Then jon replied with his url. After that it happend one more time afaik, which was an immidiate reply with the url. ;) (probably the previous issue still remained in memory..) Just search on love.html and idiot.

RE: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Martin van den Bemt
er me.. Then jon replied with his url. After that it happend one more time afaik, which was an immidiate reply with the url. ;) (probably the previous issue still remained in memory..) Just search on love.html and idiot.html to follow the discussion we had about it on the general list..;) Mvgr, Martin

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
Kurt Schrader wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Ted Husted wrote: 10/29/2002 6:33:40 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ha, ha. i see the humour. however, someone seeing that on an official apache web site is going to think it represents the overall apache viewpoint. i perso

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
James Taylor wrote: As long as 'professional' != stodgy then okay. But I'll let *you* remove it while I stand behind Sam and use him as a blast shield. (who mentioned he'd be standing right behind you fa behind you) With all due respect, you might be safer standing behind Jon than Sa

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Using Sam as a blast shield seems safer ;-) Sam Ruby wrote: Joe Schaefer wrote: With all due respect, you might be safer standing behind Jon than Sam. What's the point of local governance if the governing bodies are incapable of dealing with trivial issues like this one? FYI: Jon was the person

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Kurt Schrader
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Ted Husted wrote: > 10/29/2002 6:33:40 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >ha, ha. i see the humour. however, someone seeing that on an > >official apache web site is going to think it represents the > >overall apache viewpoint. i personally don't part

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
Joe Schaefer wrote: With all due respect, you might be safer standing behind Jon than Sam. What's the point of local governance if the governing bodies are incapable of dealing with trivial issues like this one? FYI: Jon was the person who first nominated me as chair of Jakarta: http://jakarta.ap

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread James Taylor
> > As long as 'professional' != stodgy then okay. But I'll let *you* > > remove it while I stand behind Sam and use him as a blast shield. (who > > mentioned he'd be standing right behind you fa behind you) > > With all due respect, you might be safer standing behind Jon than > Sam. What

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Joe Schaefer
"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > >should the apache web sites contain 'professional' (as in 'professionalism') > >content? if so, does this page apply? > > > > > As long as 'professional' != stodgy then okay. But I'll let *you* > remove it while I stand behind Sam and u

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Ted Husted
10/29/2002 6:33:40 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >ha, ha. i see the humour. however, someone seeing that on an >official apache web site is going to think it represents the >overall apache viewpoint. i personally don't particularly care >to be labelled by it. should the

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
ha, ha. i see the humour. however, someone seeing that on an official apache web site is going to think it represents the overall apache viewpoint. i personally don't particularly care to be labelled by it. should the apache web sites contain 'professional' (as in 'professionalism') content? if

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
> > > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon/idiot.html > > > > might be more appropriate. > > Hey - I've got an idea! Why don't *YOU* suggest this to Jon? I'll be > right behind you. *WAY* behind you. ;-) ha, ha. i see the humour. however, someone seein

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
09:47 love.html -> idiot.html Yes - I had figured this out - but the context set's the tone - start of with idiot and your on the offensive and every word is offensive. Start of with love and your context changes. Hense the deep and meaninful nature of the second version! ;-) As I said b

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
.html -> idiot.html As I said before, Jon is unique. - Sam Ruby

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
ginal Message- From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 23:20 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: idiot.html Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joe Schaefer wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html What is the point

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Ted Husted
The Jakarta website is managed by lazy consensus. If any of us working on the site actually took issue with that page, we'd just change it. I've often toned down some of the pages posted by our favorite PITA -- and have even been called a "wimp" for doing so. But no one's ever reverted my chang

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
ng like http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon/idiot.html might be more appropriate. Hey - I've got an idea! Why don't *YOU* suggest this to Jon? I'll be right behind you. *WAY* behind you. ;-) - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe,

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Joe Schaefer
Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It has been pointed out that Jakarta committers have had very little > exposure to ASF members. Don't judge Jakarta committers by the > actions of the few ASF members that have cared enough to participate. I'm not judging the jakarta committers, certainly

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
Joe Schaefer wrote: For the sake of argument, you may assume I have looked at every document in the http://jakarta.apache.org/site/ directory. If you don't see what I'm driving at yet, I encourage you to post the url of a similar document anywhere else in the ASF (outside of the jakarta family,

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Sam Ruby
Joe Schaefer wrote: If it doesn't reflect the attitude of the jakarta community, but instead represents the views of one individual, then doesn't the page belong in his subdirectory? I dunno, something like http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon/idiot.html might be more appropriate.

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-28 Thread Joe Schaefer
"Martin van den Bemt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please see http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html as an > alternative... For the sake of argument, you may assume I have looked at every document in the http://jakarta.apache.org/site/ directory. If you don't see what I'm driving at yet, I

RE: idiot.html

2002-10-28 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Please see http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html as an alternative... Mvgr, Martin > -Original Message- > From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 23:20 > To: community@apache.org > Subject: Re: idiot.html > > > Sa

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-28 Thread Joe Schaefer
Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > >>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html > > > > What is the point of that url? Do other ASF projects (php?) > > have similar links on their support site? > > No, I think

Re: idiot.html Re: [VOTE] Open this list

2002-10-28 Thread Sam Ruby
Joe Schaefer wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html What is the point of that url? Do other ASF projects (php?) have similar links on their support site? No, I think that's unique. It is a long story, and has everything to do with one individual. You can read more about

idiot.html Re: [VOTE] Open this list

2002-10-28 Thread Joe Schaefer
Steven Noels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html What is the point of that url? Do other ASF projects (php?) have similar links on their support site? -- Joe Schaefer