Re: Clarification Rant

2007-06-06 Thread Peter A Trotter
Hold on chaps. Every phone I have bought since I started using them (circa 98 - late starter, I know) has been heavily subsidised or more recently free. In fact in the UK it is hard to pick up a decent contract (plenty of minutes/texts and free internet) without getting a free phone. I tried

R: Some thoughts about iphone openmoko

2007-06-06 Thread Michele Manzato
I also share your concerns. Some years ago I switched from a Motorola phone to a Nokia phone right because (at that time, at least) the Nokia UI was far superior in features and intuitiveness. Even today I would never, ever buy a Motorola! To me, GUI usability is probably the most prominent factor

UI ideas/questions

2007-06-06 Thread Casper van Donderen
Hi, about all the UI stuff: I have never seen an original Motorola UI, everybody I know over here has a Motorola with Vodafone and Vodafone replaces the UI on each model by it's own, So the people who have a Nokia/Motorola/BenQ-Siemens all have the same UI if they have Vodafone (it was the

Re: R: Some thoughts about iphone openmoko

2007-06-06 Thread Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
2007/6/6, Fabien [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To me, GUI usability is probably the most prominent factor of success in a product when it comes to sales. To me, it ought to be, but facts prove that it isn't: I've almost never heard a marketing speech focused on this (except for iPhone); and if it were

Re: Clarification Rant

2007-06-06 Thread openmoko
Hold on chaps. Every phone I have bought since I started using them (circa 98 - late starter, I know) has been heavily subsidised or more recently free. In fact in the UK it is hard to pick up a decent contract (plenty of minutes/texts and free internet) without getting a free phone. I

Re: R: Some thoughts about iphone openmoko

2007-06-06 Thread Peter A Trotter
I've had a whole series of Sony-Ericsson phones. Ignoring the smart phones for a second there has been a real progression and positive trend in their UI's. They certainly have taken on board user feedback. All of my issues with the K750i were gone in the W880i - right down to making Text the

R: R: Some thoughts about iphone openmoko

2007-06-06 Thread Michele Manzato
We're (hopefully) soon going to have a wonderful device in hand, with unprecedented capabilities. I don't know well FIC, but they probably don't have the weight of neither Motorola nor Apple in order to market the product regardless of its actual performance. So, in order for the Neo to be a

Re: UI ideas/questions

2007-06-06 Thread Fabien
On 6/6/07, Casper van Donderen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you still edit that main panel [...] because the color of choice at the moment is orange [...] I think that when we talk about UI, we don't primarily think of skins and colors: these rather fall in the bells whistle category. What

Re: UI ideas/questions

2007-06-06 Thread Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
Hello, I think somekind of guidelines for developers are needed. Perhaps FIC could release their own ones, and some external read could help: Palm guidelines: http://www.access-company.com/developers/documents/docs/ui/UIGuide_Front.html Nokia usability site:

UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

2007-06-06 Thread Tomasz Zielinski
2007/6/6, Fabien [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And I think openmoko can lead to real improvements in this domain, if: [...] - some people with the right social skills make the UI improvement effort run smoothly. iPhone is fascinating because it's GUI is so responsive and so smooth. Unfortunately,

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

2007-06-06 Thread Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
Hello, I am not sure if it is a graphical framework problem after seeing how smooth Canola[1] is in a Nokia 770 device: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV-HtJcIW-I best regards, [1] http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/ 2007/6/6, Tomasz Zielinski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2007/6/6, Fabien [EMAIL

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

2007-06-06 Thread Pedro Aguilar
Hi, An alternative could be DirectFB, it was designed specifically for embedded systems, there is no overhead with any protocol or other things. GDK has a DirectFB backend, so there is no problem running GTK+ apps over it. It isn't easy to say how much the perfomance could improve, but it could

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

2007-06-06 Thread Mikko J Rauhala
On ke, 2007-06-06 at 14:52 +0200, Tomasz Zielinski wrote: As we know, much less powered machines (like 7MHz Amiga with Workbench and even 1MHz C64 with Geos) had enough resources to provide rich and usable user interface. I mentioned PalmOS some time ago - it executed programs in-place so most

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

2007-06-06 Thread Tim Shannon
As I understand it the new GTK mobile initiative will really be focusing on performance on mobiles. I don't think the software is there yet, or the all of the hard ware. Personally I'm not too concerned with the speed of the GUI... yet. That and it sounds like the next hardware revision will

Publicity

2007-06-06 Thread Jonathon Suggs
You asked for it and you got it... Here is a link to a frontpage slashdot article. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/06/1327238 It links directly to this page http://www.hothardware.com/image_popup.aspx?image=big_fic2.jpgarticleid=979t=a Just thought that I would share.

Re: Publicity

2007-06-06 Thread mathew davis
nice picture. That get's me all sorts of excited for the phone. On 6/6/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You asked for it and you got it... Here is a link to a frontpage slashdot article. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/06/1327238 It links directly to this page

Re: [SVHMPC] concept phone with only a touchscreen for UI

2007-06-06 Thread adrian cockcroft
Thanks for the link to Rapidobject. Looks like a nice idea. They charge 1.9euro's per cubic centimeter (31 euro's per cubic inch), while techshop.ws charges $10 per cubic inch for 3D printing (plus membership fee that gets access to lots more tools). They also seem to be in Germany rather than

Re: Publicity

2007-06-06 Thread Andrew Turner
On 6/6/07, el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hardly think that my parents, or anyone else who may have a passing interest in a sweet phone, reads Slashdot. My friends don't read it. Even those who do read Slashdot seem to know little about the phone (read the comments in the article).

Re: [SVHMPC] concept phone with only a touchscreen for UI

2007-06-06 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On 6/6/07, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could just whip one up in a CAD program and make it available at a 3D-printer store like http://www.rapidobject.com/ for everyone to order. Wow that's a cool service! Is there anything like that in the US?

Stephen Colbert

2007-06-06 Thread astraub
Hello, All. I'm new. My name is Allan Straub. Last night, on the Colbert Report, Stephen Colbert performed a long protest about how he had not yet been given a free iPhone - something to which he, as a celebrity, is apparently entitled. The thought struck me that a free Neo1973 running

Re: Stephen Colbert

2007-06-06 Thread Peter Korn
I can just see it, Stephen Colbert holding up this Commie Pinko phone, probably built in North Korea, by those anti-American free software people. Could be quite humorous... Peter Hello, All. I'm new. My name is Allan Straub. Last night, on the Colbert Report, Stephen Colbert performed a

Re: Stephen Colbert

2007-06-06 Thread Clayton Jones
I agree with everyone's comments so far... But i'm a big Stephen Colbert fan (i saw the show where he complained) and it would be a rather LARGE feather in OpenMoko's cap if we could get one to him before Apple got an iPhone to him. Even warts and all he could still tout it as the marketplace

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

2007-06-06 Thread Florent THIERY
Interesting. Can I hear more supportive or counter arguments? What do the others think? Depends on the technical bottleneck, which i am in no position to determine. Is GDK inherently unsufficient too ? I am very curious about the potential of the webkit gdk qt ports, i hope to benchmark them

Are there any applications?

2007-06-06 Thread Eildert Groeneveld
dear list, with a scheduled delivery date in 2007 I am a wondering what is going on in terms of software development. If this is at all realistic, the applications should be operational now. Instead, we read about the UI and its framework which sounds rather basic to me. But perhaps there is a