Re: Hardware/Software UI Relationship

2007-07-18 Thread ramsesoriginal
I still think that some sort of modular keyboard (i mean: template, skin, whatever you may call it) would be the best solution: everyone chooses what fit's better for his needs. And everyone can develope in a simple way some sort of keyboard in the meanwhile, and we have plenty to choose from for

Re: Hardware/Software UI Relationship

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
Lars Hallberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > My favourite for main UI is a text input tool at the bottom, where you > input a progressive search term, say "we br"... That might match: > > web browser (app) > tux web broadcast (web bookmark, document) > Werner Brown (contact) > Wera Brooks (conta

Re: Using GPS to automatically find and use Points of Interest

2007-07-18 Thread ramsesoriginal
A path-tracking ability would be great in any case. Just as an example: the local alpinist group bought a device for several thousend euros to track all the footpathes nd have a nice map. Or the Energy firm here in italy is doing the same for the gas pipelines. But it could also help finding back

Build environment with MokoMakefile on FreeBSD / amd64?

2007-07-18 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
on: BB_VERSION = "1.6.9" OE_REVISION= "" TARGET_ARCH= "arm" TARGET_OS = "linux" MACHINE = "fic-gta01" DISTRO = "openmoko" DISTRO_VERSION = ".dev-snapshot-20070718" TARGET_FPU = "soft&

Re: Hardware/Software UI Relationship

2007-07-18 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 09:50:36 Giles Jones wrote: > > The matching object is shown on top and selectable. Size on those object > > can depend on number of matches and can be compacted in intelligent ways > > like: [contacts 3] [document 12] [apps 2] > That sounds very similar to QuickSilver on

Re: Using GPS to automatically find and use Points of Interest

2007-07-18 Thread Mickael Faivre-Macon
Thumb up ! On 7/18/07, Dirk Bergstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Position dependent todo lists could be a real killer app. "Alert me with this message next time I'm within X meters of this location". Hmmm... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list comm

Re: price politics for hardware updates post-phase-1/2

2007-07-18 Thread Marc-Olivier Barre
On 7/17/07, Marco Barreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: By the way, I was one of the people who posted to an earlier thread hoping for a board-only option in October, thinking it could be a sort of inexpensive hardware upgrade like you want. After more thought, however, it doesn't seem practical to

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread ramsesoriginal
I though that this phone could be great for Bars/restourants/pubs: a simple wifi network, and an app which syncs the order typed (or choosen) by the waiter whith a waiter. There are plenty of such devices, I know, but if a phone could also do this, it would be cool. We could write our own server a

Re: Free OpenMoko...

2007-07-18 Thread Vincent
On 17/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Ted Lemon wrote: > Has anyone seen this? > > http://www.freeopenmoko.com/ > > Weird, huh? Wow. That is super weird. Did you follow the "click here to start" link? It seems to be a front to something called "ezyre

Possible App - Security

2007-07-18 Thread COMINT
Hi there I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure voice calls over the GSM data call facility. I'm looking for one or more people that would be interested in working together to get something running on the neo. If anyone is interested please drop me an email. Kind

Re: Using GPS to automatically find and use Points of Interest

2007-07-18 Thread Torsten Wagner
Double Thumb up !! Speaking for everyone who know this problem: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/brain or for all results which are coming from cat wife_wishes boss_ask_me_to_do | sort | uniq -u | grep -vf /dev/brain ;) Bye Torsten Mickael Faivre-Macon schrieb: Thumb up ! On 7/18/07, Dirk Bergs

Re: Hardware/Software UI Relationship

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > Katapult on KDE is kinda similar (I think it's actually intended to be a > Quicksilver copy cat). It's included with Kubuntu, at least. Certainly sounds like an idea worth implementing on a mobile device. When you have your data with you on the move

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
Ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > Another cool use would be (TV|Radio|Computer|xyz) remote control, I use MythTV and it has support for a remote control over TCP/IP (I control it with my Mac). There's a project listed on the projects site to create a MythTV remote for this phone.

Re: Build environment with MokoMakefile on FreeBSD / amd64?

2007-07-18 Thread cedric cellier
-[ Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 10:00:41AM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen ] > Hello, > Has anyone successfully built openmoko-devel-image with a build > environment installed on FreeBSD / amd64? On the same arch I just had openmoko run on qemu, following this advice : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Open

Re: Free OpenMoko...

2007-07-18 Thread Miquel Herrera
Vincent wrote: ... On 17/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think we should register those because if those were really to be used you can be sure a lot of people will end up on freeopenmoko.com instead. But it could be good to register and not used, to avoid pro

Re: Free OpenMoko...

2007-07-18 Thread Vincent
On 18/07/07, Miquel Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Vincent wrote: ... > On 17/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > I don't think we should register those because if those were really to > be used you can be sure a lot of people will end up on > freeopenmoko.com instead

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Ian Stirling
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On 7/17/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We need a good use for GPS, I want something like Tomtom but this How about POI[1] tracking? Simple idea: when the Neo user enters a POI, she or he presses a button (read: starts a program), the GPS waypoint is recor

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Ian Stirling
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On 7/17/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We need a good use for GPS, I want something like Tomtom but this How about POI[1] tracking? Simple idea: when the Neo user enters a POI, she or he presses a button (read: starts a program), the GPS waypoint is recor

Re: Free OpenMoko...

2007-07-18 Thread Ian Stirling
Miquel Herrera wrote: Vincent wrote: ... On 17/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think we should register those because if those were really to be used you can be sure a lot of people will end up on freeopenmoko.com instead. But it could be good to register a

Sorting out development interests

2007-07-18 Thread Daniel Robinson
I asked the question yesteday about what people wanted to do with the OpenMoko project and a lot of people added to the thread. The wiki has areas for many of the things that were mentioned. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List Check it out and add your project or fillout an existing project

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Emre Turkay
I'm planning to use it to implement a GTD[1] utility. Imagine an application showing an action to do. There are three buttons, "done" (I've done it delete from the queue), "defer" (defer it to a later time), "cancel" (there is no need to do this anymore, or it requires further thinking). When any

Re: Hardware/Software UI Relationship

2007-07-18 Thread Frans Grotepass
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 09:50, Giles Jones wrote: > > My favourite for main UI is a text input tool at the bottom, where you > > input a progressive search term, say "we br"... That might match: > > > > web browser (app) > > tux web broadcast (web bookmark, document) > > Werner Brown (contact) >

Fw: Re: Hardware/Software UI Relationship

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
>The terminal must be functional. I'll have a look at the code >and whether I >can add something like this to play with. Assignable buttons at the top of the terminal would be handy, allow the user to assign the most common commands. --- G O Jones

Re: Possible App - Security

2007-07-18 Thread Visti Andresen
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:36:56 +0100 COMINT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there > > I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure > voice calls over the GSM data call facility. > > I'm looking for one or more people that would be interested in working > together to get som

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Marc Verwerft
On 7/18/07, Emre Turkay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm planning to use it to implement a GTD[1] utility. Yes! Consider there is a simple market-list application, in which I note the stuff I need to buy from market, time to time. When I approach to the market moko starts an audio alert and tel

Re: Hardware/Software UI Relationship

2007-07-18 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Gabriel Ambuehl writes: >On Wednesday 18 July 2007 09:50:36 Giles Jones wrote: >> > The matching object is shown on top and selectable. Size on those object >> > can depend on number of matches and can be compacted in intelligent ways >> > like: [contacts 3] [document 12] [apps 2] >> That sounds ve

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Emre Turkay
Just created a wiki entry: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mebot emre On 7/18/07, Mickael Faivre-Macon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If there is anybody interested I would love to discuss. > I'm sure willing to test it ... Me too Did you put it in the Wiki ? > > > > > [1] http://en.wikipe

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Brad Pitcher
Yes! For me a GTD app is the killer app. Especially when you hook GPS into it. Maybe the phone could even look at the list of places you need to go to accomplish your tasks for the day and plan an optimal route. Thanks Emre! I'll help with testing and maybe write a plugin for it. -Brad On 7/1

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-18 Thread Brad Pitcher
I'm in a similar situation, I'm leaving for OSCON on Sunday. I will attend a BoF at Ubuntu Live Sunday night and another one at OSCON Thursday night. I desperately want to bring my phone with me. I paid for 3-day shipping but now it looks like it may not get her quite on time. I wonder, if I re

Re: Sorting out development interests

2007-07-18 Thread Joe Friedrichsen
On 7/18/07, Daniel Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the thing that is missing is for people to find collaborators to work on these projects. Is this the right forum? There is http://projects.openmoko.org/ and folks can discuss development ideas on a project-specific list, but I don'

Re: Not "the free phone"

2007-07-18 Thread Arndt Heuvel
Am Montag, 16. Juli 2007 22:14 schrieb Ken Young: > How 'bout > > "For those who prefer JTAG to Bluetooth." or > "It's not just a phone, it's a hobby." or > "Get one before the phone companies figure out what they are." > OpenMoko - and you even own the

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-18 Thread Jeff Andros
On 7/17/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ted Lemon wrote: > Sean, probably a dumb question, but I'm leaving for IETF on Saturday, so > I'm really hoping that my two-day delivery will get the phone here by > Friday. I don't desperately need it before IETF - I just don't want it >

Re: ExpansionSpacer (was: Re: this phone, with WiFi)

2007-07-18 Thread Eric van Horssen
Doug Jones wrote: Well, here is a single part that would make it much easier to try out WiFi antennas, other kinds of antennas, all kinds of random hardware... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:ExpansionSpacer I think this is a great idea!! Just a small observation, isn't the battery be

Re: Sorting out development interests

2007-07-18 Thread Visti Andresen
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:57:41 -0600 "Joe Friedrichsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/18/07, Daniel Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the thing that is missing is for people to find collaborators > > to work on these projects. Is this the right forum? > > There is http://projects

Re: Possible App - Security

2007-07-18 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, COMINT wrote: > I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure > voice calls over the GSM data call facility. You need IP layer encryption, not application based enpcryption. So ipsec, openvpn, l2tpd, OTR, GPG. I'd recommend using IPsec with a ppp conn

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Tom Russell
I want to be able to script (in Python?) a simple app that, when I sit down at my desk @ work, turns the ringer to vibrate and sends any incoming call notifications to my Linux desktop for visual display or ringtones through my PC headphones. -- Tom ___

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-18 Thread michael
Probably would be best to ask this of the shipping company. You might also be able to change the delivery address to your hotel at the conference. Looking forward to meeting you at the BoF at Ubuntu Live Sunday night. Michael On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Brad Pitcher wrote: I'm in a similar situati

Re: ExpansionSpacer

2007-07-18 Thread Doug Jones
Eric van Horssen wrote: Doug Jones wrote: Well, here is a single part that would make it much easier to try out WiFi antennas, other kinds of antennas, all kinds of random hardware... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:ExpansionSpacer I think this is a great idea!! Just a small observat

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Jason Elwell
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 11:34:52 Tom Russell wrote: > I want to be able to script (in Python?) a simple app that, when I sit > down at my desk @ work, turns the ringer to vibrate and sends any > incoming call notifications to my Linux desktop for visual display or > ringtones through my PC headph

Re: mozilla based browser for maemo...

2007-07-18 Thread kenneth marken
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 05:58:29 Thomas Gstädtner wrote: > Looks very(!) promising! > According to the documentation on the page the UI is completely abstract so > a OpenMoko gui shouldn't be a such big thing. > The UI seems to be proprietary software by nokia, so this wouldn't usable > for OM so

Re: ExpansionSpacer

2007-07-18 Thread Doug Jones
Eric van Horssen wrote: Doug Jones wrote: Well, here is a single part that would make it much easier to try out WiFi antennas, other kinds of antennas, all kinds of random hardware... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:ExpansionSpacer I think this is a great idea!! Just a small observat

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread michael
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, ramsesoriginal wrote: I though that this phone could be great for Bars/restourants/pubs: a simple wifi network, and an app which syncs the order typed (or choosen) by the waiter whith a waiter. There are plenty of such devices, I know, but if a phone could also do this, i

Re: Possible App - Security

2007-07-18 Thread Visti Andresen
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Paul Wouters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, COMINT wrote: > > > I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure > > voice calls over the GSM data call facility. > > You need IP layer encryption, not application base

Neo1973 Arrived 7.17.07

2007-07-18 Thread mokoNinja
Our Neos have FINALLY arrived at FIC America headquarters. We are now ready to ship. Thanks to FICA for the confirmation pictures: http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/NeoArrived.mp4 or http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dsvyr656c78 Cheers, mokoNinja The Art of Ninjutsu The Ninja, at the beginning

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-18 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 18, 2007, at 9:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably would be best to ask this of the shipping company. You might also be able to change the delivery address to your hotel at the conference. They are generally reluctant to do this, both because it makes it easy to steal a package

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Visti Andresen
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:05:27 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, ramsesoriginal wrote: > > > I though that this phone could be great for Bars/restourants/pubs: a simple > > wifi network, and an app which syncs the order typed (or choosen) by the > > waiter whith a

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-18 Thread michael
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Ted Lemon wrote: On Jul 18, 2007, at 9:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably would be best to ask this of the shipping company. You might also be able to change the delivery address to your hotel at the conference. They are generally reluctant to do this, both beca

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 17:34, Tom Russell wrote: I want to be able to script (in Python?) a simple app that, when I sit down at my desk @ work, turns the ringer to vibrate and sends any incoming call notifications to my Linux desktop for visual display or ringtones through my PC headphones.

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-18 Thread Brad Pitcher
Thanks for the suggestions, I may just have it rerouted to Portland. That seems like the best option to me. Fortunately I have roommates who can sign for the package for me. On 7/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jul 18, 2007, a

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Jeff Andros
some of this is implemented by FMA (http://fma.sourceforge.net/), however, it's about as stable and reliable as a good hotrod. Some of the problems are probably due to the closed software on the phone, and I really commend those guys for what they've done. Since we have access to the phone's os,

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Tim Newsom
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 7:40, Marc Verwerft wrote: On 7/18/07, Emre Turkay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm planning to use it to implement a GTD[1] utility. Yes! Consider there is a simple market-list application, in which I note the stuff I need to buy from market, time to time. When I approach

Re: Neo1973 Arrived 7.17.07

2007-07-18 Thread Visti Andresen
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:28:20 +0800 mokoNinja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our Neos have FINALLY arrived at FIC America headquarters. We are > now ready to ship. > Thanks to FICA for the confirmation pictures: > > http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/NeoArrived.mp4 > or > http://youtube.com/watc

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Jeff Andros
On 7/18/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You could expand this a little and possibly select items from multiple location lists and then select "Find the shortest route to complete all tasks" --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list com

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Mark Rossman
First off I think the largest amount of time would be to calculate the distance between each possible combination of points, and I think most people wouldn't really have that many points anyway. Now if UPS decides to offload their routing onto the cell phones of their drivers it would take foreve

Re:Neo1973 Arrived 7.17.07

2007-07-18 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
mokoNinja writes: >Our Neos have FINALLY arrived at FIC America headquarters. We are >now ready to ship. >Thanks to FICA for the confirmation pictures: > >http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/NeoArrived.mp4 >or >http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dsvyr656c78 Whoo hoo! This is great! __

Filesystem layout standard?

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
Hi, Is there any documentation about a standard filesystem layout? For user data storage like music, videos etc. On Mac OS X there are pre-define folders for Movies, Music, Pictures and Applications. It would save a lot of time searching with file dialogs if a standard was proposed for appl

Payment Received

2007-07-18 Thread Jason Elwell
Awesome news!!! FIC processed my credit card! See screenshot: http://www.chooseopen.com/PaymentReceived.png Regards, Jason ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Tim Newsom
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:27, Jeff Andros wrote: On 7/18/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You could expand this a little and possibly select items from multiple location lists and then select "Find the shortest route to complete all tasks" --Tim just don't expect it to do so very

Re: Payment Received

2007-07-18 Thread richard5
*Headbangs* I'm all excited now :D Quoting Jason Elwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Awesome news!!! FIC processed my credit card! See screenshot: http://www.chooseopen.com/PaymentReceived.png Regards, Jason ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Myk Melez
Daniel Robinson wrote: What are the projects of interest for people? I want to port minimo to the phone. -myk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailma

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Visti Andresen
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:14:41 -0700 Myk Melez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel Robinson wrote: > > What are the projects of interest for people? > I want to port minimo to the > phone. Just do a 'bitbake minimo' :) Could perhaps use some minor adjustm

Re: Payment Received

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 20:00, Jason Elwell wrote: Awesome news!!! FIC processed my credit card! See screenshot: http://www.chooseopen.com/PaymentReceived.png Regards, Jason Good for you :) Another 795 orders to get through until they get to mine :( _

iPhone has built in spyware module?

2007-07-18 Thread Sander van Grieken
Worrying news, if this rumour is confirmed, although it might be positive PR for open phones.. http://vsiphone.blogspot.com/2007/07/iphone-has-built-in-spyware-module.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.op

ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread richard5
Anybody know what the status is on being able to set custom ringtones or if the phone already has a bunch of built in ringtones? I know its just for development purposes right now but I'm bored at work and this question just popped into my head. Richard _

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Brad Pitcher
Actually, I was thinking of offloading that work to a mashup like interface.. Say google maps or what not and just displaying the result. But google maps doesn't reorder destinations to create the optimal path does it? ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread Al Johnson
If it won't play arbitrary audio files as a ringtone out of the box it won't be long before someone updates it. On Wednesday 18 July 2007 20:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anybody know what the status is on being able to set custom ringtones or if > the phone already has a bunch of built in ringt

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-18 Thread Casey Harkins
Brad Pitcher wrote: I'm in a similar situation, I'm leaving for OSCON on Sunday. I will attend a BoF at Ubuntu Live Sunday night and another one at OSCON Thursday night. I desperately want to bring my phone with me. I paid for 3-day shipping but now it looks like it may not get her quite on

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Tom Russell
Cool project - I'll definitely be looking at it when I get my GTA02. Thanks for the pointer. Tom On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 10:50 -0700, Jeff Andros wrote: > some of this is implemented by FMA (http://fma.sourceforge.net/), > however, it's about as stable and reliable as a good hotrod. Some of > the

Re: iPhone has built in spyware module?

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 20:38, Sander van Grieken wrote: Worrying news, if this rumour is confirmed, although it might be positive PR for open phones.. http://vsiphone.blogspot.com/2007/07/iphone-has-built-in-spyware- module.html It might just be a backup function. When you sign up for .Mac wh

Re: ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread Brad Pitcher
there are a few ringtones in subversion: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/ On 7/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anybody know what the status is on being able to set custom ringtones or if the phone already has a bunch of built in ringtones? I

Re: ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 20:43, Al Johnson wrote: If it won't play arbitrary audio files as a ringtone out of the box it won't be long before someone updates it. I'm sure it will do WAVs, MP3s and other files when finished. I'd like to see support for RTTL and other text based tones. as well. H

Re: iPhone has built in spyware module?

2007-07-18 Thread kenneth marken
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 21:54:05 Giles Jones wrote: > On 18 Jul 2007, at 20:38, Sander van Grieken wrote: > > Worrying news, if this rumour is confirmed, although it might be > > positive PR > > for open phones.. > > > > http://vsiphone.blogspot.com/2007/07/iphone-has-built-in-spyware- > > module

Re: ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread Kero van Gelder
>> If it won't play arbitrary audio files as a ringtone out of the box it >> won't >> be long before someone updates it. > > I'm sure it will do WAVs, MP3s and other files when finished. > > I'd like to see support for RTTL and other text based tones. as well. > > Hell, there's no reason why the r

Re: Possible App - Security

2007-07-18 Thread Christian Stüble
Hola, we are planning to develop several security-related applications on top of the Neo device. Voice encryption is only one of them. Regards, Chris Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 11:36 schrieb COMINT: > Hi there > > I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure > voice call

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Tim Newsom
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:51, Brad Pitcher wrote: Actually, I was thinking of offloading that work to a mashup like interface.. Say google maps or what not and just displaying the result. But google maps doesn't reorder destinations to create the optimal path does it? No idea. That's why I sa

Re: ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 21:11, Kero van Gelder wrote: gtones can't be an application. So long as the app starts and ends fast. "application" ? some playing daemon that listens on dbus? No, I mean any music or sound generating application that can be invoked and stopped using the command line.

Re: projects of interest? - mebot

2007-07-18 Thread Tim Newsom
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:10, Mark Rossman wrote: First off I think the largest amount of time would be to calculate the distance between each possible combination of points, and I think most people wouldn't really have that many points anyway. Now if UPS decides to offload their routing onto the

Re: ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread Jeff Andros
it might be worth while to have no other notification except a script fired off when the call comes in (think SVN hooks) It would allow you to customize logging(fork off a call log script), and make it really easy for other applications to provide call-based services (I.E. if the call is not answ

Re: ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 21:48, Jeff Andros wrote: it might be worth while to have no other notification except a script fired off when the call comes in (think SVN hooks) It would allow you to customize logging(fork off a call log script), and make it really easy for other applications to prov

Re: Neo1973 Arrived 7.17.07

2007-07-18 Thread Frederic Kettelhoit
would it be possibl to get some blueprints of the neo? or do we have to wait for the first guys who receive their phones? Good news anyway :) On 7/18/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: mokoNinja writes: >Our Neos have FINALLY arrived at FIC America headquarters. We are >now ready to

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Mathew Prokos
Anti theft software would be an interesting project, possibly detecting if the sim card was changed, and sending its current location to either a known cell phone via txt msg or to an internet server.. Sort of the same idea of the tracking software that was mentioned earlier. _

Re: this phone, with WiFi

2007-07-18 Thread Robin Paulson
fantastic idea. very flexible, and allows addition of multiple microSD (assuming the necessary IO pins are avialable), batteries, a hi-power LED for a torch, extra buttons, a scroll-wheel, all sorts. On 7/19/07, Doug Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, here is a single part that would make it

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Casey Harkins
Mathew Prokos wrote: Anti theft software would be an interesting project, possibly detecting if the sim card was changed, and sending its current location to either a known cell phone via txt msg or to an internet server.. Sort of the same idea of the tracking software that was mentioned earl

Re: projects of interest?

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 22:40, Casey Harkins wrote: Mathew Prokos wrote: Anti theft software would be an interesting project, possibly detecting if the sim card was changed, and sending its current location to either a known cell phone via txt msg or to an internet server.. Sort of the same id

Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Jim McDonald
[This may have been better to post to the development list but as people are talking about it here I'll start here] Hi, A number of people have been talking about the cool things that they would like their 'phone to do but after spending some time looking at the information available so far I d

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Daniel Robinson
I don't know how much of the at signaling is available at the data terminal. What is the signaling for sending caller ID to a cellular phone? For example, on POTS, the digits are signaled with a Bell 103 modem between the first and second ring. Someone said something about having the ringback to

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Jim McDonald
Daniel Robinson wrote: > I don't know how much of the at signaling is available at the data > terminal. What is the signaling for sending caller ID to a cellular > phone? For example, on POTS, the digits are signaled with a Bell 103 > modem between the first and second ring. > > Someone said som

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-18 Thread Ian Darwin
Brad Pitcher wrote: I'm in a similar situation, I'm leaving for OSCON on Sunday. I will attend a BoF at Ubuntu Live Sunday night and another one at OSCON Thursday night. I desperately want to bring my phone with me. I paid for 3-day shipping but now it looks like it may not get here quite on

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Brad Pitcher
sure we couldn't do it directly like that. But couldn't we fake it by have the phone answer the call immediately after it detects it, playing the sound file over the radio (instead of sending microphone input), and act like it's still ringing? On 7/18/07, Daniel Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 23:03, Jim McDonald wrote: If the monolithic approach is out then some sort of modular approach is required. The most obvious example out there today is Firefox, which comes in a relatively simple base configuration but provides any number of hooks to allow people

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 23:21, Jim McDonald wrote: To clarify, I'm thinking not of getting in the way of the basics of things like gsmd, which should handle the fact that there is an incoming call and also pick up the caller ID if present, but what openmoko does as a result of this information

Re: ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 23:39, Jeff Andros wrote: Maybe go one step further... set it up as an observer pattern inside the os. you could build a simple GUI that wraps around it, but also other programs could register to be notified on a phone action (damn, I really need to go over the code.

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Giles Jones writes: > >If it's just notifications then you can have a notification daemon >which any application can register it's events with. The preferences >for this would allow something like Play Sound, Display Message, >Flash backlight, Vibrate, Power off, Run script, Run command or do

Re: Build environment with MokoMakefile on FreeBSD / amd64?

2007-07-18 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Grr.. I forgot to do 'reply-all'. -- Forwarded message -- From: Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Jul 19, 2007 1:07 AM Subject: Re: Build environment with MokoMakefile on FreeBSD / amd64? To: cedric cellier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 7/18/07, cedric cellier <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Kero van Gelder
>>If the monolithic approach is out then some sort of modular approach is >> required. The most obvious example out there today is Firefox, which >> comes in a relatively simple base configuration but provides any number of >> hooks to allow people to write their own extensions on top of th

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Giles Jones
On 18 Jul 2007, at 23:57, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Note that dbus is already a part of openmoko. Ah, always thought DBUS was some sort of HAL. But on close inspection it's a bit like DCOP which is very powerful. All that's needed is a nice interface to configure the actions then. ___

Re: Build environment with MokoMakefile on FreeBSD / amd64?

2007-07-18 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On 7/19/07, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, it won't run: As far s I can tell, I have all needed dependcies installed, inclunding netpbm, lynx and sdl: [EMAIL PROTECTED] portversion -v | grep sdl sdl-1.2.11_1,2 = up-to-date with port sdl_image-1.2.5_2

Re: ringtones?

2007-07-18 Thread Jeff Andros
I haven't used a mac other than casually (checking email) since os9... so I'm not so up on growl. I'd like basically arbitrary code execution, but with some (read LOTS) of protection on how that gets registered (can't let Sean's dad install malware that fire off every time the phone rings, can we

Re: Hooks in Base Code

2007-07-18 Thread Jeff Andros
On 7/18/07, Kero van Gelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now, depending on circumstances, your Social Other, a parent or child who needs to see a doctor, your bank/mortgage or person that arranges something big for you may need to drag you out of your meeting. Some or most meetings. Probably not

Re: Shipping update

2007-07-18 Thread Don Park
On 7/18/07, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brad Pitcher wrote: > I'm in a similar situation, I'm leaving for OSCON on Sunday. I will > attend a BoF at Ubuntu Live Sunday night and another one at OSCON Me too; I'm teaching a 4-day Linux course next week, and showing a real phone is just so

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