RE: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread thomas.cooksey
Currently, Android sucks big time, IMO. Google has no announced plans for allowing developers to write any C/C++ applications. Well I've managed to get a native C hello world running under the android emulator, so it is possible to run native C/C++ applications. All we need to do is work out

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ian Darwin wrote: Anything less will lead to this sort of frustration, over and over again. It is not always possible. The way I figured it out, the GSM module will always be closed. This is not due to the hardware specs being unknown, but due to the fact that the law requires a transmitter to

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread hank williams
exactly accurate respose/analysis. Hank On Nov 14, 2007 4:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Darwin wrote: Anything less will lead to this sort of frustration, over and over again. It is not always possible. The way I figured it out, the GSM module will always be

Re: Qtopia flash image 11/9

2007-11-14 Thread andy selby
Not sure if thats good or bad. :) I have noticed some oddities on first boot as well. Sim contacts don't always seem to get populated. This doesn't seem to be a qtopia issue, more of an neo issue. I've found opening the back, taking the battery out and fiddling with the sim card holder seems

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 05:02, Cameron Braid wrote: Personally.. I think people should stop commenting on how they dislike another toolkit.. Either use it, or don't - its your choice. Perhaps that could also work for mailing lists when people don;t like what other people decide to write

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Martin Kirchgessner
2007/11/14, William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED]: that's what I thought, till I found this: http://git.android.com/ -WIll Don't be fooled it's only the kernel sources: they have to publish them, as required by the GPL. What about the libs sources? The VM? Marty

Re: start writing applications - how?

2007-11-14 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
Jeff Andros wrote: you're on the community list... that kind of stuff should either be on openmoko-dev or openmoko-apps depending on the sort of application you're writing ok, since I don't want to improve the openmoko core itself, but write some application to install and run on my moko, I

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread William Voorhees
upon further inspection it looks like your right, though I am still hopeful based upon this entry in the FAQ. http://code.google.com/android/kb/licensingandoss.html Assuming that this is true, it only strengthens the case of the Neo 1973 and openmoko project. If the 850mhz issue resolved, I'll

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Kyle Bassett
See, we all think M$ sucks and Google rocks, but we have to remember they are still a business. If M$ wasn't doing such a poor job, then Google may not be so highly regarded today. OpenMoko all the way! -Kyle On Nov 13, 2007 9:51 PM, Doug Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah it seems like

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Festival.Star
Yeah that is true but Googles saying: Over time, more of the code that makes up Android will be released, but at this point, we have been concentrating on shipping an SDK that helps application developers get started. In short: Stay tuned. But what does over time mean, that can be 2 months but

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread William Voorhees
I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the video's Sergy Brin says that it will be entirely open. I hope that google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold. -Will On Nov 14, 2007 1:34 PM, Festival.Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah that is true but Googles saying: Over time,

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Jonathon Suggs
Just came across this discussion http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/e8efe3d7e9927851/04302351954cbc6f#04302351954cbc6f -Original Message- From: William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread Mike Montour
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Regarding the GPS, please pay attention to the fact that the GTA-02 did not solve this problem. It merely moved the non open source component from the software to the firmware. This solves the supporting libraries problem, but does not allow openness. It solved the

security, packaging, compatibility

2007-11-14 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
I read the onlamp.com article about android, and there are a few issues where I'm thinking wow, they are getting this right! and but what is openmoko doing in this area?. namely: security: I read android will confine each application by both using java sandbox security, but also by having an

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread Doug Sutherland
Shachar Shemesh The way I figured it out, the GSM module will always be closed. This is not due to the hardware specs being unknown, but due to the fact that the law requires a transmitter to be approved by the FCC, and it is impossible to get an approval for a transmitter that allows anyone

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Doug Sutherland
Cameron wrote Personally.. I think people should stop commenting snip If you don't like a comment, there is a delete key. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Mike Montour wrote: A serial-attached GPS module with closed-source firmware is no worse than the hard drive with closed-source firmware in everyone's desktop PC. Just for the record - I agree. It is unrealistic to expect EVERYTHING to be open source at this stage. I'm just stating that the move