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Some thoughts:
1) you are responsible for import duties, no external shipper can know
the import duties for all territories, and so take the risk.
2) Furthermore, it's slightly unusual (if at all possible) for the
sender to pay the import duty.
3) I
has GPRS. What is going on with new phones these
> days? Seems like they are going backwards in speeds, i-phone and now this.
> HSDPA support? Why not? Is it licensing issues?
>
>
> Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> edge speeds? *lol* The GTA01 at least has pure classic GPRS
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> On 7/27/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> * Will we be able to use the GSM directly? I am new to
>>> this, and I'
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Nelson Castillo wrote:
> Hi.
>
> We are starting a project and we will use a
> Neo GTA01 ( We are also waiting for it to ship :) ).
> We will need at least two more, but we need to try
> one first.
>
> We need to:
>
> * Make calls to send arbitrar
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edge speeds? *lol* The GTA01 at least has pure classic GPRS.
Andreas
Xamindar wrote:
> I have a simple question related to 3G. Why doesn't the neo support
> 3G? I have had my Cingular 3G phone for a year now and I can't imagine
> ever going back to
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They basically should work, but the device does only 2G :), no EGPRS ;)
Andreas
Harrison Metzger wrote:
> Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it
> does 2.5g)?
>
>
>
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Actually, philosophically, by default it's disabled. You need to run a
pppd to connect, as a GSM modem just provides one with a modem emulation.
Now the question is if the software will automatically connect you, but
I guess, there will be always an o
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Valerio Bruno wrote:
> Forum is a better tool for heavy communication than ML, and it's the only one
That it is a better tool is just an assertion that I don't concur with.
> usable by non-technic newbie user (like a 14 years old boy that plays with
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Giles Jones wrote:
> Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
>> it's open-source (BSD license), so all the code is available to build
>> on whatever environment/architecture you want (as far as my limited
>> understanding of portable code/interp
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A simple thing. Parse and extract all messages. That would be the first
important step. Ooops, every forum software creates something unique,
you've got not only x different kinds of forum software packages, no you
usually can change the HTML generated
The average customer won't wait for the "few simple" web clicks, at least not
on a device that has only a GPRS connection. The Nokia E61 browser has a nice
KB counter and it's incredible how huge current web sites have gotten. (and
there is only limited hope of improvement, as we want the websit
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Ok, putting on my Postmaster hat, could you please provide Message Ids
and headers for messages from heaven.kostyrka.org that were sent
duplicate? Please use private mail.
Andreas
Marco Barreno wrote:
> Messages to the list are being duplicated again
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Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> Well, I've said it before and I will say it again. We are not wanting
> to kill the mailing lists!!! We are wanting to supplement the mailing
> list with a forum. I cannot see ANY reason why this would be a bad thing.
Wel
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Your description could be about two things:
1.) gmail.com is acting up with the openmoko mailing lists, and has been
for some time now. gmail mails end up being sent multiple times. That's
something that google needs to fix, not much openmoko can do a
e questions, you have at least a partial
solution. Although it's still a solution for support, and not for a
community, but who cares ;)
Andreas
Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
>> My mail client sorts and deletes mailing posts for me :)
>>
>>
>> at leas
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Well, mailman (which openmoko uses) has integrated support for Usenet
gatewaying.
That would add one further option for people that want to keep up with
the communication at their own pace.
Plus there seem to a number of web <-> nntp tools where one
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www.google.com? (Hint: add a site:openmoko.com or so to your query)
Andreas
Jacques Poulin wrote:
> Is there a web form to search the mailing lists ?
>
> I didn't find it, and didn't want to ask if that had been asked before,
> but since I can't fi
k both solutions,
> synchronized is best. But I really think it should wait for some
> official word if an official one is on its way (and delayed by more
> important things like shipping the phones).
> Mark
>
>> --Dan
>>
>> On 7/24/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL
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Hans L wrote:
> I'm guessing that's not what you really meant, but I'm still not sure
> your point is. Are you saying that if you don't want your email
> address harvested by spammers, then you should not participate in
> discussions about openmoko a
ion.
>
> The goal is communication, not rightness. How is communication best served?
>
> --Dan
>
> On 7/24/07, *Andreas Kostyrka* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> No, it's just habits. And it's not about Engineers, it's
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No, it's just habits. And it's not about Engineers, it's about long time
email users. (I mean the generation before the invention of the "http
protocol". If one can consider HTTP 0.9 to be a protocol ;) )
And yes, email is important to these old time
Well, in most cases yes, as all 3G SIMs (USIM) I've seen have been valid GSM
SIMs. i'd expect that to be some requirement even :)
OTOH there are carriers that are UMTS only (they don't have a GSM network),
e.g. 3 in Austria.
Andreas
-- Ursprüngl. Mitteil. --
Betreff:3G SIMs?
Von:Ma
Not sure what the VAT rate in the UK is, but yes if the Neo gets shipped from
outside the EU, then you'll have to pay import VAT. And I would expect no
import duties as such, as mobiles, IT stuff have a rate of 0% in Germany, thus
in all EU countries.
Andreas
-- Ursprüngl. Mitteil. --
Betreff:
Well unbundling of the "last mile" certainly helps getting a competition going
in DSL lines.
OTOH, it's still unclear what produces a competitive mobile market. Comparing
Austria with Germany, Austria traditionally had better deals than Germany,
despite lacking virtual operators for a long time
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And it's completely not relevant, as the Neo needs an input method that
works for local apps ;)
Andreas
Ted Gilchrist wrote:
> There's always the multipress key input method:
>
> http://www.robocal.com/prod/robocal/robodicto.php
>
> It's low-tech,
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10-15c/SMS => that's about 60-90c per KB. Or 600-900$ per MB. Don't
think that GPRS is THAT expensive even in Canada.
Andreas
Crane, Matthew wrote:
> Ok, yea, they aren't often free, but they are often free to send even
> with the basic plans. In th
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Well, it's a general problem. Depending upon your phone plan, using SMS
might make sense or not. If SMS are free, that's nice, although I doubt
you'll manage to run a ppp session with mtu 150 over it :-P
Generically speaking, SMS are certainly more co
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You don't need GPS for that. It's a quite simple Python script (without
GUI certainly less than 10 lines) for PyS60 (Symbian S60), that checks
the GSM/UMTS cell info, and sends a SMS to your wife if you enter a
specific cell ("I'll be home in 15 minute
i think your problem will be more the crude state of the software at the moment.
It's clearly in the "I knew and I knowingly choose for myself" phase. e.g. i
would take one because it can dial voice calls, but most people expect a
different level of sophistication.
Andreas
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It's not as bad. It's not "modern" phones that can do, it's a
disappearing small number of phones, most new phones are class B.
Real class A phones are expensive, as they need two seperate radios :(
Andreas
Mikko Rauhala wrote:
> ma, 2007-05-07 kell
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Hi "funny spamgourment user"!
The only problem with this is, that the Neo cannot deliver multiple
contacts to the display. AFAIK, if you put 2 fingers to the display, it
reports the weighted middle point of these to the software.
Andreas
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ator, which doesn't stand out against the
> background of its rivals."
>
> It's just another Windows PDA/phone. Boring.
>
>
> -Steven
>
> On 5/2/07, Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Dnia środa, 2 maja 2007, Andreas Kostyrka
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Sven Neuhaus wrote:
> Hello,
>
> here's the size and weight of a few touchscreen mobile phones:
>
> Neo1973 iPhone M600i LG Prada
> length (mm) 120.7115 107 98.8
> width 62 61 57 54
> heigh
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Ian Stirling wrote:
> Maciej Ligenza wrote:
>> Sven,
>>
>> On 5/2/07, Sven Neuhaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> It's also the biggest. It weighs almost *twice* as much as the
>>> LG Prada, despite having a smaller screen! [..cut..]
>>> The iPhone h
* Christian Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070424 23:24]:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > Just wondering, Nokia "Intellisync Wireless Email" is some kind of
> > SyncML based mail push solution, right?
> >
> quote http://europe.nokia.com/A4164024
> Nokia Intellisync Wireless Email is a full-featured wireless em
Hi!
Just wondering, Nokia "Intellisync Wireless Email" is some kind of
SyncML based mail push solution, right?
What kind of push mail will the Neo support?
Andreas
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* Christ van Willegen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070407 16:24]:
> Hi,
>
> On 4/6/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Well, there is only one way on standard GSM modules to disable SMS
> >delivery to the phone: When the SIM card SMS slots are fill
* Knight Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070406 21:31]:
> On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 10:31:47AM -0700, Tim Newsom wrote:
> > That seems weird... Even in email you can turn off read receipts... It
> > seems like an invasion of sort (though a minor one) to not allow
> > disabling of delivery reports for t
* Bradley Hook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070406 21:24]:
> SMS most likely uses a mechanism similar (or identical) to the ESMTP DSN
> model. See http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3461 for more info.
>
> With cell phones, it seems that the destination storage medium for the
> message server is the phone itse
* Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070406 18:05]:
>
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 8:35, Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> >You cannot block them. But you can make the phone completly ignore it.
> >OTOH, that's not the same thing because combined with a delivery
> >report, someb
* Martin Raißle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070406 16:01]:
> On 4/6/07, Joe Shmoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Accept all texts"
> > "Accept texts from my address book only"
> > "Accept texts from the following numbers"
> > "Block all texts"
> > "Block texts from my address book only"
> > "Block
* Clare Johnstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070325 01:22]:
> Dear all,
> This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a
> representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone.
> Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in
Well, I take it on mys
* Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070321 22:58]:
> Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> >...plus probably a system that would automatically upload/download moko-ness
> >information.
>
> >This way all mokos could keep in touch, and people that switch phones
> >
* Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070321 20:58]:
> Tim Newsom writes:
> >
> >On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 9:34, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> >> Tobias Gruetzmacher writes:
> >>
> >> Right -- these look like good approaches, but to a different problem.
> >
> >/please excuse my direct manner.. Its just how I write
* Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070321 01:40]:
> 'lo
>
> Didn't appear in the wiki, so I figured I'd throw it out there first:
> compressed SMS for when a persistent TLS-encrypted and -compressed
> Jabber connection just isn't there (eg. if it would be too expensive in
> a particular locale),
* Elrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070314 21:14]:
>c) I really hope against and can't see the orphaning of
> "older hardware".
One thing that we should not forget, OpenMoko is a platform, that will
support any number of phones in the future, so supporting different
hardware revisions of the N
* Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070314 19:02]:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:10:22PM -0400, Mike wrote:
>
> > I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like
> > third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee)
> > what they'll work with. I guess not
* Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070314 16:37]:
> On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:07:25 Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> > > Andreas
> > The wap APN does provide "generic" internet access. But the difference
> > is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably
> > can't use it with
Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists
:( (
Autor: "Jonathon Suggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: 14. März 2007 16:7:25
Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet
> connectivity wi
well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet
connectivity with it.
But yes if it's only wap, and if the final version will include a wap browser,
then yes, the Neo will work with the plan. OTOH you might something different
than what you expect from it.
Andreas__
* Charles McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070311 10:27]:
> On Sunday 11 March 2007 06:31, Clare Johnstone wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Just looking at the information on the Wiki about the hardware,
> > I got curious about the so-called 911 button. I am supposing it is for
> > emergency calls, but is my cou
* Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070306 23:17]:
> On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 12:33 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> > >Just wondering, but did I get that right, the Hackers version that
> > >will be available this month will only be a developers board, without
> > >a phone casing => unuseable as a mob
* Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070305 07:35]:
> Dnia niedziela, 4 marca 2007, Joe Pfeiffer napisał:
> > Andreas Kostyrka writes:
>
> > >Just wondering, but did I get that right, the Hackers version that
> > >will be available this month will only b
* Graham Auld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070304 20:10]:
> As I understand it Andreas, the hackers lunchbox is including the dev board
> connecting thru the JTAG interface of the phone. You would purchace your
> phone seperatly.
Yeah, but gadgets useable as phones (hardware-wise) won't be available
before
* Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070304 18:53]:
> Nice description of the technical information, with photos of the
> hacker's lunchbox and car kit.
>
> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7653749655.html
Just wondering, but did I get that right, the Hackers version that
will be available this
The problem that I see here is that they seem to offer the same
"technical" product (unlimited data access) at different price points.
Our first generation Neos won't blip on their radar, because they are
total slow (I don't think that you will be able to fetch more than
10GB a month, even if you
* Wolfgang S. Rupprecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070228 00:06]:
>
> "Dean Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on
> > existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones
> > or similar) or if totally banning.
>
Well, as stupid that sounds, without signing a contract, you won't get
a SIM from them. And I do know, that there are really stupid carriers
(e.g. drei.at) that insist on the 24-months contract binding time,
even if you don't take the subsidy. Guess the US carriers are even
more evil, because they
when we are at it, limiting calls to only certain numbers is a
standard GSM feature, it's just seldom used, as most people just
forget their PIN2 ;)
Andreas
* Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070227 10:41]:
> Took 4 minutes of googling to find both Cingular and Verizon have kids
> phones and res
* Sam Kome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070226 21:20]:
> > companies involved, the group that has the most to gain from OpenMoko
> > are the endusers. Worse the powerusers, which are a bad deal for the
> > networks anyway. I do compare plans, and I tend to use what I buy.)
>
>
> I agree that users will b
* Sam Kome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070226 19:41]:
> When my mother/brother/friend in the US wants to buy a phone, they are
> very likely to go to one or two cell phone outlet stores, RTFMA, and see
> a plethora of plans with minutes and calling circles and
> free-after-x-o'clock. They will not be abl
* Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070226 18:16]:
>Sure not a problem but when you are finished `papering' please explain to
>all the consumers why the costs of their $49 (or free) handsets just
>doubled or tripled to full retail/manufacturing costs.
Well, that's bullshit. In Germany
* Sam Kome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070222 20:50]:
> Yes, if the phone in question has been locked to another carrier:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy_lock
Well, that's not the carrier stoping you, it's the phone. You know,
there are sources for unlocked phones, like stores selling them. They
j
* Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070221 23:28]:
> Hello.
>
> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 12:39, Nathan Williams wrote:
> > Does anyone have a list of active projects that will be porting
> > OpenMoko to other hardware platforms? I currently own a phone
> > and a Zaurus clamshell and would lo
* mathew davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070220 19:57]:
>It's funny that you mention that I am only 24 so I guess I would fit in
>the youngster category. I don't even know what usenet is. I guess that's
usenet, news => it's just a very email-ish forum system. It's older
than the "Internet" ;)
* Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070220 19:57]:
> My children (I've got one who just finished his undergrad degree in
> CS, and a second who is a pre-med) don't send much email, but are
> constantly texting.
Well, I do texting mostly on phones with a sensible keyboard or
grafitti entry system.
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070220 19:57]:
> It's interesting to note that most youngsters seem to prefer forums, and most
> of us old-timers (IIRC you're my age, Joe) prefer mailing lists. I wonder why
> that is?
I think it's not a question of age as such. It's mostly a question of
t
* el jefe delito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070220 17:20]:
>Would this warranty cover accidental breakage of the large screen, say by
>leaning on it against a desk or something?
I fear not. It's the one most probable way to kill the phone, and
probably the most expensive part to replace.
(E.g.
* Ole Tange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070220 14:52]:
> On 2/20/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 17:32 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there any warranty on phase 1 phones ? If the screen is bad, some
> >> input ports don't work, etc. what will be the proces
* Martin Lefkowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070220 15:55]:
> The fact that you can buy a GSM/GPRS module that runs off the AT command
> set is the big innovation. I don't know how long this has been
> possible, but I've only heard about this recently.
Well, that's not such a big innovation. HTC seems
* Joe Shmoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070213 00:19]:
>Most cell phones don't seem to handle this properly.
>
>When your phone has no signal, any calls go straight to voicemail. When
>you don't answer your phone, calls go to voicemail after a pre-specified
>number of rings (typically 5)
* Ben Burdette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070210 19:47]:
>
> >>
> >>Unfortunatly, It looks to me like T-Mobile is currently not interested in
> >>letting its pre-paid customers use GPRS to go anywhere outside their Silly
> >>T-Zones walled garden.
> >
> >Let me guess.
> >This contains such things as wea
* Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070202 18:58]:
> Salve Andreas!
>
> Andreas Kostyrka schrieb am Freitag, den 02. Februar 2007 um 18:44h:
> > Looks nice, BUT you don't have always a 14400 bps uplink.
> But even iax2 has a huge overhead - mybe still potentia
* Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070202 18:26]:
> Incoming bandwidth: 14.5 Kbps
> 0.01 Mbps
> 1.81 KBps
> 0 MBps
>
> Outgoing bandwidth: 14.5 Kibps
> 0.01 Mbps
> 1.81 KBps
> 0 MBps
> Total bandwidth (incoming and outgoing): 29 Kbps
> 0.03 Mbps
> 3.63 KBps
> 0 MBps
>
> 29Kbps = 3.6
* Paul Wouters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070202 18:16]:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Robert Michel wrote:
>
> > Does anybody has experiances/ideas about Voice over GPRS?
>
> See: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rc277/globe02.pdf
>
> They discuss tcp as well as udp performance over GPRS.
>
> > How long is the dela
* Paul Wouters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070202 18:18]:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded wrote:
>
> > Also, most data plans specifically prohibit VoIP usage
> > and may even prevent it technically.
>
> AFAIK, only T-Mobile did that, and they removed that clause
* Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[070202 17:56]:
> VoIP calls typically require approx. 120 kbit/s *each*
> direction, that's 240 kbit/s for a two-way conversation.
>
> UMTS gives you 384 kbit/s if you're lucky. Most of the time
> it's more like 150 kbit/s,
* Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070202 17:06]:
> Salve!
>
> Does anybody has experiances/ideas about Voice over GPRS?
> How long is the delay? It could maybe used for asyncron
> voice communication Talk2Talk (instead of pushing a button)
The lag with E+ for GPRS/UMTS is at best in my experie
* Myk Melez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070131 09:39]:
> Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> >Problem solved, as in option 2:
> >
> >http://www.dualsim.de/
> >
> That's kind of a solution, except it looks complicated and seems to require
> me to mod my phone, which is
* Elliot F. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070131 03:45]:
> Robert Michel wrote:
> >Salve,
> >I can't understand why Blackberry and other has become
> >so big into the market, because the server side software
> >for a push service are normal linux admins tools.
> >But wait - the client side need some open pr
Problem solved, as in option 2:
http://www.dualsim.de/
I fear that having two GSM modules does not make sense in a general
phone. (Despite the fact that I do have SIMs from two countries ;) )
Andreas
* Myk Melez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070130 21:31]:
> I live in the US but regularly travel to Hung
* Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070130 18:46]:
> Harald Welte wrote:
> > yes, the GSM Modem we use has standard AT command Fax modem functionality.
>
> I'm not 100% sure about everything I'm about to say, but I vaguely remember
> some things from a similar discussion a while back.
>
> In o
* Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070129 22:58]:
> My question is: would the GSM chip has a modem
> for data connections and also fax support?
Good question. And if it is, is it a standard class 1 faxmodem like
common with GSM mobiles nowaday?
Andreas
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* Bryce Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070129 15:09]:
> >I would like to use FreeNX to use the Neo1973 from
> >a Workstation, and to have video projctor presentation
> >live from a Neo1973.
>
> That sounds like a fantastic idea. It should be pretty simple to get
> something like FreeNX up and running on
* Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070125 16:07]:
> As all the TomTom gadgets prove: it isn't. GPS works pretty well without
> the A.
Well, it does or not. The question is, does AGPS help with accuracy?
Just an observation, that my builtin car navigation, which got GPS and
travel information from
* Aloril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070125 08:33]:
> As subject implies I have proposal I fear might lead to long flamewar. I
> hope I'm wrong.
>
> Given these assumptions/facts:
>
> 1) We want to copy stuff from unofficial wiki to official wiki when it
> becomes available.
>
> 2) Unofficial wiki does
* Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070124 15:50]:
> Ahh "holding in his hand" - so when it is fixed with a cradel it is
> still allowed to touch it. :)))
Exactly, it's the same in the StVO §1a ;)
btw, I'm all for an external antenna connector. I haven't yet tried
it, but I've got the tip, that
* Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070124 14:52]:
> I'm not a lawyer, but if you read the ticker, the OLG just found that
> a PDA with a GSM module is to be treated as a mobile. Now, the Adac
> article claims that it's ok to use a mobile, if you don't have to
* Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070124 14:01]:
> Salve Andreas!
>
> Andreas Kostyrka schrieb am Mittwoch, den 24. Januar 2007 um 13:48h:
>
> > > Robert Michel writes:
> > > >
> > > >Since last Dezember it is forbidden for the driver to touc
* Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070123 17:58]:
> So I haven't found a right source for this, the adac.de link hasn't
> an official law text and isn't about the point "general aproval" and
> mobiles without external antenna - it is only about the official
> requirements to free speak systems.
* Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070123 17:04]:
> Robert Michel writes:
> >
> >Since last Dezember it is forbidden for the driver to touch a PDA/mobil
Ok, I think that's a case of wrong translation. It's forbidden to
pickup the phone. you are quite allowed to touch the phone, explicitly:
D: We
* Ted Lemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070122 23:21]:
> On Jan 22, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik wrote:
> >Personaly by default there should be none. And let the user decide what he
> >wants. For example I prefer ruby over perl, lua or python and I like using
> >bash scripts for a lot of stuf
* "Andra?? 'ruskie' Levstik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070122 22:52]:
> On 10:12:00 pm 2007-01-22 Corey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Monday 22 January 2007 14:03, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> > > Dnia poniedzia??ek, 22 stycznia 2007 21:45, Corey napisa??:
> > >
> > > > I would recommend lua, it's
* Corey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070122 22:17]:
> On Monday 22 January 2007 14:03, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> > Dnia poniedzia?ek, 22 stycznia 2007 21:45, Corey napisa?:
> >
> > > I would recommend lua, it's extremely light-weight ( we're talking
> > > about 6 megs here )
> >
> > 6M???
> >
> > http
* Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070122 21:37]:
> That also wouldn't be accurate. The droid, refering to
> wikipedia-stable, might instead say:
>
> "So, it's something _different_ than Linux?"
> "Well, not really. GNU/Linux is the whole system; Linux is one part of
> the system, and it is a v
* Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070122 21:30]:
> * Derek Pressnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070122 19:40]:
> > Seeing as how there has been interest in including an interpreted
> > language with the default software install (such as Python or Perl,
> > etc.), a
* Derek Pressnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070122 19:40]:
> Seeing as how there has been interest in including an interpreted
> language with the default software install (such as Python or Perl,
> etc.), and the fact that they are too big to fit in the built-in
> flash, I would like to offer up an alt
* Renaissance Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070122 01:38]:
> I actually become aware of the FS movement via the GNU moniker, so it worked
> on me. For many years I was only aware of the OS movement (through knowing
> about "Linux").
Guess you wasn't to much interested in the license of the software y
* Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070121 06:44]:
> keep in mind, you'll only get USB 1.1 speeds :(
USB1.1 are almost certainly ok for a phone, this are not
high-performance cluster nodes, just power-saving phones.
And especially 11mps WLan works perfect with USB1, I guess 54mps will
work ok too, albei
* Steve Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070121 03:12]:
> On 20/01/2007, at 6:32 PM, Kent Karlsson wrote:
>
> >On 20 jan 2007, at 14.14, Renaissance Man wrote:
> >
> >>On 20 Jan 2007, at 9:55 pm, Kent Karlsson wrote:
> >>
> >>>Awesome to see so much people ready to jump on the job to get it working
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