Hi,
Thought http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/02/06/1931244.shtml
was interesting - it would be cool to have an OGG decoder onboard a
future Neo for iPhone style music-player/phone hybrid functionality in
the free software context :-)
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Regards,
Dave
On 02/02/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 02 February 2007 13:43:52 Dave Crossland wrote:
For the recipients who are on Jabber (such as Jabber conversant
phones) this is a good idea. For everyone else, MMS as the least
preferred but available option is quite neccessary
On 29/01/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OpenMokoids
LOL
I hope this phrase is somewhere in the official documentation :-)
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On 24/01/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And besides, the BSDL predates the GPLv1 by a decade.
This is simply untrue.
I have done some research on this:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?q=%22at%26t+source+license%22+BSD
In 1989 the Networking Tape 1 was released; this was the
On 27/01/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 27 January 2007 12:23:52 Dave Crossland wrote:
And besides, the BSDL predates the GPLv1 by a decade.
This is simply untrue.
I have done some research on this:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?q=%22at%26t+source+license%22
(offlist)
On 27/01/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is simply untrue.
The fact is, as originally stated, that the BSD preceded the GPL (by two
years or ten)
I would really appeciate some evidence of this.
Here my evidence that the original BSD license was first used in
On 26/01/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to, 2007-01-25 kello 22:56 +, Dave Crossland kirjoitti:
Many free software projects accept donations, and if you are willing
to pay the developers after enjoying their software, I feel it is
important to donate a little.
Indeed. Which
On 26/01/07, Ben F-W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if you tie that to a more specific
example, it might help to get the concept across. I usually point out
how the priorities of end users and those of operators differ: and it's
the operators who are the manufacturer's biggest customers. For example,
On 26/01/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave, whilst all software is free - rent isn't (oh and that nasty habit
of eating every 6-8 hours is a real bitch as well).
Of course there will be commercial software available for the OpenMoko
community.
If this is commercial free software,
On 25/01/07, Ketut P. Kumajaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have ported FBReader for Motorola E680i/A780 mobile phone and
I am sure FBReader author only need a couple hour time to make
it run on OpenMoko if he has access to OpenMoko device.
http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader
I can't see a way to
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From: Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26-Jan-2007 18:06
Subject: Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
To: Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(offlist)
On 26/01/07, Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
proprietary software. If you want
On 26/01/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really hate to get in on this discussion
Talking about freedom is important, so thank you for your polite and
rational contribution.
Dave Crossland wrote:
But when I copy software, no one loses it and another person gets it.
There's
On 26/01/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See whether you get charged with something like theft (or
infringement of copyright, which is tantamount to theft...)
Infringement of copyright is very, very different to theft.
If I shoplift some food from my local
store, no one
On 24/01/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 21:05, David Ford wrote:
Please do not personally CC: me on this silly thread. I am subscribed to
the list.
I think this is a problem for people using Outlook or Gmail
Yes, I am a GMail user, and apologies
On 25/01/07, Bryan Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also surprisingly, the one truly negatively-excited person I met said
exactly this, Great, so I'll have a phone that just randomly crashes
for no reason. I know that he has run Red Hat Linux, and codes for a
living. But, he has had poor
On 25/01/07, Wil Chung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd imagine if you draw parallels to the internet, the issue of malware and
viruses inevitably crop up. Just telling people Linux is more secure
probably doesn't alleviate fears. I probably wouldn't know what to say.
Anyone wanna take that one?
On 25/01/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was
thinking, if the OpenMoko phone had an easy way for people to add
applications like the Widgets, the average user would like it. ( I
would be willing to pay the developer after a trial).
I guess the most software will be free...
Hi Sean,
On 23/01/07, David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You must be reading a different link. Sean's email most clearly states
in the form of a user's manual that will give credit to GNU. He also
clearly stated We'll just call it OpenMoko.
Could you confirm that if FIC writes that OpenMoko
On 24/01/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm starting to get excited about the phone, and I really don't want to
see my hopes dashed. Has an FCC filing been made, is the phone ready to
go?
I believe so. From
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html
:
On 24/01/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we were to lose the FSF perspective at any stage down the road, then
we could end up only able to buy highly sophisticated yet crippled
devices which actively impose upon our Freedoms. Like now, but worse.
In that sense, I imagine the
On 22/01/07, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
On 1/22/07 4:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reason I ask is I'd like to propose an OpenMoko T-shirt, with the
now-official
tag-line. I'd buy and where that right away.
Michael, wishing for Free Your Phone T-shirts
On 22/01/07, Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070122 01:38]:
I actually become aware of the FS movement via the GNU
moniker, so it worked on me. For many years I was only aware
of the OS movement (through knowing about Linux).
Guess you wasn't to
(sorry for the premature post)
On 22/01/07, Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070122 01:38]:
I actually become aware of the FS movement via the GNU
moniker, so it worked on me. For many years I was only aware
of the OS movement (through knowing
On 22/01/07, Marcel de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/21/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If more people are aware of why freedom and community matter, then
they will buy more products that support freedom and community, like
more Neos.
How does adding three more letters
On 22/01/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it available in a downloadable format for people who can't view
Flash movies? (I'm running Linux on a PPC machine here, so nothing
from Adobe...)
hmm I found this
http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/
www.keepvid.com does what this
On 22/01/07, MR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just joined the mailing list but if the point of this thread is
about whether the manual/box/website for openmoko should refer to it
using Linux or GNU/Linux then I am 100% whole heartedly behind
GNU/Linux.
That's originally what this thead was about,
Hi Sean!
On 21/01/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/21/07 4:57 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 20/01/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the OpenMoko Linux Distribution
Can the FIC marketting department call it 'the OpenMoko GNU/Linux
Distribution
On 20/01/07, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses
it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices!
If freedom is a real goal then I agree.
And I'm not so sure that is is. It seems
On 20/01/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Changing the system title to include GNU/Linux, would increase public
awareness of GNU, but I don't see how it would directly improve the
technology or how it would sell more Neo's
If more people are aware of why freedom and community
On 20/01/07, Andreas Jellinghaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Credit whom credit is due. Either they accept that credit is givin to
everyone, and that this is a long list, and that if people highlight
some feature of their choice it is freedom of speach, or they don't.
but the gnu way of placing
On 21/01/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although I support the goals of the FSF, I hold progress ahead
of my political philosophy.
To value a political stance over practical progress does go counter
to our general culture, which encourages us to dismiss any philosophy
that
On 21/01/07, Corey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I never actually use the GNU/Linux identifier - but I can
understand
the logic and reasoning behind it, and it certainly doesn't bother me when other
people use it.
If you understand the reasoning, I'm curious why you don't use it..?
On 21/01/07, David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
p.s. it's religious and for every one that feels GNU should be the sole
title bearer, there is another that feels they should not.
No one is advocating that GNU be the *sole* title bearer, although
plenty of people are advocating that Linux be
On 21/01/07, David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
in the near future someone else will ask openmoko to prefix their name
with GNU and it'll start all over again.
I did not ask OpenMoKo to prefix their name with GNU. I apologies if
that was not clear.
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Regards,
Dave
On 21/01/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both my girlfriend and father are aware of Free Software and what it
means. This is due to me coming across the FSF out of curiosity about
GNU, and then passing that knowledge onto them.
That's nice. I simply doubt that they'll be
On 21/01/07, Corey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 21 January 2007 13:58, Milan Votava wrote:
It would be nice to know if Sean's aim is
1. to satisfy his and our need for open source toys like Neo
or
2. to earn money like almost everybody on this planet while
exploiting geeks like us to
On 20/01/07, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any code that would be running on the phone that won't be
FOSS (ie. GPS daemon/driver )? If so, how easy will it be to find out
which code is closed-source, and how dependent would the phone's
functionality be on the closed-source code?
Hi Sean!
On 20/01/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the OpenMoko Linux Distribution
Can the FIC marketting department call it 'the OpenMoko GNU/Linux Distribution'?
Given that the free software nature of the phone is its primary
feature, it seems strange not to acknowledge the
On 20/01/07, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland schreef:
Can the FIC marketting department call it 'the OpenMoko GNU/Linux
Distribution'?
How much GNU software must be present to call it a GNU/linux distribution? Do I
still need
to call it gnu/linux if I use uclibc and busybox
On 20/01/07, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the first thing I asked; you hit the nail on the head with the
GPS daemon. That's the only thing, apparently, and so only the GPS
functionality would depend on that daemon being there. Ideally just
'apt-get remove --purge'ing it away
On 20/01/07, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What we say is that you ought to give the system's principal
developer a share of the credit. The principal developer is the GNU
Project, and the system is basically GNU.
...
How about calling it the Open Moko *Operating System*?
I don't
On 20/01/07, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Open Moko Operating System, based on GNU/Linux.
I think its safe to assume that the shorthand for the system will be
plain 'OpenMoKo.'
I was requesting that FIC's full title for the system replaces Linux
with GNU/Linux for the good and
On 15/01/07, Gervais Mulongoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heh, until the phone spam operators start using basic voice recognition and
to defeat the simple riddle :p
Spammers don't do email address de-obfuscation because it takes too
much processing time; I can't see them doing this in practice
On 10/01/07, Attila Csipa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Conceptually very similar to the FIC1973, with of course the
added Apple candy and design team efforts.
I wonder how the FIC1973's graphics capabilities will compare - all
the slick XGL style swooshing around and zooming in makes the
On 05/12/06, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AFAIK FIC is supporting OpenMoko to build a plattform for their
hardware - so why should FIC support developer to publish drivers
for Motorola devices inside the OpenMoko SDK?
Is this similar to the idea that Apple should license OS X for
On 30/11/06, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/30/06 1:17 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm essentially asking if its theoretically possible that this phone
might be FSF endorsed - non-free firmware is fine by the FSF as long
as it is burned onto a ROM and can
On 28/11/06, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are some minor, self-contained proprietary bits on the back end
side in userspace.
- http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/11/08/
which appears to contradict
In userspace, there only one single component that is not going to be
On 29/11/06, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Optimal for me:
Pay USD 350 for v1. When v2 is out: Return v1 and get a deduction of
the price of USD 350.
But I will assume that this will not work for you: The returned v1s
are probably worthless to you. So a better way might be to include a
On 29/11/06, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, so all the GSM stuff is done in ROM? Or is
this non-free firmware?
It's a completely separate system. It's got it's own (proprietary) OS,
middleware, AT command layer, etc...
Our (open) application processor -- the 2410 -- talks to
Hi,
In userspace, there only one single component that is not going to be
under a Free Software License: It's our GPS daemon. The reason for
this is, that the specific high-sensitivity assisted GPS that we
wanted is only available in something like a soft modem GPS, e.g.
one that does most of
On 28/11/06, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And can someone confirm the GSM part is Free? :-)
Reason I ask is:
There are some minor, self-contained proprietary bits on the back end
side in userspace.
- http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/11/08/
which appears to contradict
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