Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation."

William Lai ??: > > On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:13 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> >> Josh Monson wrote: >>> Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list? >> >> yes. it's called documentation. >>> >>> Michael/Brenda, >>> Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of whom >>>

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I defer to Will. Michael William Lai wrote: > On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:13 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> Josh Monson wrote: >>> Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list? >> yes. it's called documentation. >>> Michael/Brenda, >>> Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation."

On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:13 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > Josh Monson wrote: >> Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list? > > yes. it's called documentation. >> >> Michael/Brenda, >> Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of >> whom >> will be doing what, >

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] On Behalf Of steve > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:24 PM > To: 'Steven **'; 'List for Openmoko community discussion' > Cc: 'Brenda Wang' > Subject: RE: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of > mostlyoutdated and incomplete documenta

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EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:24 PM > To: 'Steven **'; 'List for Openmoko community discussion' > Cc: 'Brenda Wang' > Subject: RE: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of &g

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cussion' Cc: 'Brenda Wang' Subject: RE: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation." The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since information just get posted. On the other hand this rhapsodi

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

On 18/07/2008, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok here are two ideas > > 1) Use mind mapping software using the existing links in the WIKI to let > people search / view the wiki info in a different way > > 2) Allow each page to be receive votes in the following ways > i) can give whole page

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Ok here are two ideas 1) Use mind mapping software using the existing links in the WIKI to let people search / view the wiki info in a different way 2) Allow each page to be receive votes in the following ways On 18/07/2008, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:

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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:23:39PM -0700, steve wrote: > The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since > information just get posted. > On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. > > So... Solutions welcomed. This is what the wiki edito

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 03:29:11PM -0500, Steven ** wrote: > I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't > like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or > just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the > wiki so powerful. > > If

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; about the devices. > > This knowledge needs to be structured and disseminated. > > Easier said than done. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Stroller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:19 PM > To: List for Openmoko community

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organized well. >> >> A good start would be a better search engine >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang >> Sent: Thursday, July 17,

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17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: >> >>> Brenda >>> >>> The main page index does not address Scotts issue. >>> >>> I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. >>> >>> A good start would be a bet

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Steven ** Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:29 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Brenda Wang; steve Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation." I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If

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PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:19 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: steve; Brenda Wang Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation." Hi there, I thought to try fixing a small part of this

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AVee wrote: > On Thursday 17 July 2008 23:35, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/7/17 Brenda Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. >>> Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more >>> easy to use. >>> And now , If you want to kno

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On Thursday 17 July 2008 23:35, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/7/17 Brenda Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. > > Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more > > easy to use. > > And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Pleas

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2008/7/17 Brenda Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. > Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more > easy to use. > And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this > Index page. > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main

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t organized well. >> >> A good start would be a better search engine >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 200

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teve > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki -

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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation." Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. Thank you for your opinion .

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Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more easy to use. And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Brenda Scott Derrick ??: > Perhaps this is wh

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Make pages easy to find is always the first priority of wiki management. I agree with you . Openmoko wiki has thousands of pages, not easy to find everything. So, we just made a Index page, every page will listed on it. Then , I had made each wiki page of Openmoko had their own category since Feb,

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+ 1 to the clasification, but a visual discrimination about uptodate/outdated/work in progress in this pages will be very useful too. --- El mié, 16/7/08, BrendaWang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > De: BrendaWang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Asunto: Re: In the press > Par

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How about to use the Openmoko Index page. This page collect every topic of Wiki. And depend on the page's content, pages of wiki will classify into right category. But now , Software part (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Official_Index_Page#Software) and Technical part , might be not

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About the public forum for discussion of the news, here is the page on wiki , might help. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Discussion_Forums matt joyce ??: > Jay Vaughan wrote: > >>> This stood out for me "The tangled pile of mostly outdated and >>> incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki

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Jay Vaughan ??: >> This stood out for me "The tangled pile of mostly outdated and >> incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki..." >> Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? >> If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we identify old content >> and schedule it for updating? >>

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you can find the test reports here: http://people.openmoko.org/testing/software/ On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know the devel list gets some official looking test results for each > of the main apps posted about once a week. I believe there was even a >

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Dear Matt: Openmoko Wiki just like WIKIPEDIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki Wiki) is a public place everyone can create page , and edit. Actually , on Openmoko wiki, we have thousand pages. Some topic(page) is very popular , many people maintains the same page, so it updated soon. And some pa

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

I know the devel list gets some official looking test results for each of the main apps posted about once a week. I believe there was even a summary report in pdf form. I think that testing was against the ASU. So, at least you could get a pretty good status on that image. -Steven On Tue, Jul

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

On 15 Jul 2008, at 19:45, John Reese wrote: > Stroller wrote: >> I thought today about starting a "Freerunner usability" page on the >> wiki, as it seems a very common FAQ on IRC. New users are not >> satisfied with "the software's not stable yet" but instead want to >> know "how 'alpha' is it? c

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Hello, On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Josh Monson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will volunteer a few hours each week towards this. > > Editing, cleanup, moving content, updating content, organization, > etc. > > I'm in. > > John Reese or Torfinn are you 2 also volunteering? That would make

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> The other thing to consider, as well, is what Brenda's role is with > regards to the wiki. As I understood it, managing the wiki was her > position within the company. Obviously a daunting task for a single > person, so perhaps we need to make sure she's in the loop, or managing > the team, etc.

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I'll help out too .. so count me in .. soon as I get my Freerunner, which I'm still going to get even though the GPS problems are a pain. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/m

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Reese > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:15 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: In the press > > Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

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tmonson :yahoo: westcoastmonson1 :aim: 422809032:irc: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Reese Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:15 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Hello, &

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Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well thats definitely a very nice proposal, but I would like to hold >> off a bit on recreating a whole new wiki .. what I had in mind was >> more of a blog/feed style site, not necessa

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Hello, On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well thats definitely a very nice proposal, but I would like to hold > off a bit on recreating a whole new wiki .. what I had in mind was > more of a blog/feed style site, not necessarily another wiki setup .. As hav

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

Scott Derrick wrote: > But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the > FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search > for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know > it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it

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> If people think it's a good idea then I will set up a website for it > and > register it. Perhaps something like mokofanbox.org or whatever. I > don't > really care. I can register it and I will make it available to > whomever > can administer it. Jay seems to be willing. Well thats defini

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

Perhaps this is what you seek? > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions > > This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the FreeRunner pag

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Hugo Mills wrote: >The quality of a wiki has little to do with the Wiki engine on > which it runs. It is far more to do with having a highly proactive > group of wiki editors, who between them read every single change made > to the wiki, and can make suitable cross-references, indexes, > correc

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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 07:17:54PM +0100, Hugo Mills wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 05:27:31PM +, Curtis Vaughan wrote: > > Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I looked at it and see they use > > MoinMoin. So, I am willing to set up MoinMoin on a server to be used as > > an FR community

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

Hello, On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right now I'm happy to edit Wikipedia or OpenStreetMaps, but not the > Openmoko wiki and I'm not sure why that is. I've seen something FWIW, what I do if I don't feel comfortable enough editing a page on the (Openmoko)

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

Stroller wrote: > I thought today about starting a "Freerunner usability" page on the > wiki, as it seems a very common FAQ on IRC. New users are not > satisfied with "the software's not stable yet" but instead want to > know "how 'alpha' is it? can I make calls and send texts? how about >

Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

On 15 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Curtis Vaughan wrote: > Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I looked at it and see they use > MoinMoin. So, I am willing to set up MoinMoin on a server to be > used as > an FR community wiki. I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is with the INFOR

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I agree! And that was my first point. There are a number of people who seem to feel that the OM wiki is not responding well. And as I recall one person from OM stated that the problem is that they are a small company. So I guess they are trying to say, we feel your pain, we want to help, but we

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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 05:27:31PM +, Curtis Vaughan wrote: > Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I looked at it and see they use > MoinMoin. So, I am willing to set up MoinMoin on a server to be used as > an FR community wiki. The quality of a wiki has little to do with the Wiki engi

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I don't think its the wiki software that is the problem. Its the ad-hoc management method of everybody editing and no one doing QA to insure old stuff is thrown out or clearly marked, consistent format, new pages in the right place, appropriate links to and from the document, etc Ther

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> How will this differ from > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Community_Portal > > And why would we want multiple wiki's with the same info? my thoughts exactly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmok

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t for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press ideas for domain names: freerunner.info freeyourphone.com/.org moko.mobi -- a mobi version of the site, browsable on mobile devices like the Freerunner would be awesome, typically just a skin on whichever cms/wiki engine you choose C

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ideas for domain names: freerunner.info freeyourphone.com/.org moko.mobi -- a mobi version of the site, browsable on mobile devices like the Freerunner would be awesome, typically just a skin on whichever cms/wiki engine you choose Curtis Vaughan wrote: > Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I

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Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I looked at it and see they use MoinMoin. So, I am willing to set up MoinMoin on a server to be used as an FR community wiki. If people think it's a good idea then I will set up a website for it and register it. Perhaps something like mokofanbox.org or wha

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nmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press Man I have to agree. I'm just jumping on to the OM bandwagon with the purchase of two freerunners but have reservations about it now. Looking through the Wiki is a pain and a chore to find useful data. Yes there are gems in there but t

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Man I have to agree. I'm just jumping on to the OM bandwagon with the purchase of two freerunners but have reservations about it now. Looking through the Wiki is a pain and a chore to find useful data. Yes there are gems in there but they are buried under tons of old and inaccurate data. Some

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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:06:07PM +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote: > > These are all great ideas and would be very helpful for us. We are a > > small company. And really try to focus all we can on our products. > > Community help to make these more approachable is something that would > > make us all ver

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Actually I can speak from experience that Matt has hit it on the head. I was having problems with the moko makefile while trying to test QEMU until I can afford to get the actual phone. I couldn't figure out why it was building with a broken GUI, luckily I knew about the mailing lists and someone w

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>> I have the resources to set up such a site, but I definitely do not >> want > to do anything counter-productive. I would really like to see OM do > what > they can as I prefer a "one-stop solution" as opposed to having to > visit > numerous sites to find solutions. > I think the main goa

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> These are all great ideas and would be very helpful for us. We are a > small company. And really try to focus all we can on our products. > Community help to make these more approachable is something that would > make us all very grateful. > Well I'm certainly trying to help in any way I can, w

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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jay Vaughan wrote: > >> This stood out for me "The tangled pile of mostly outdated and > >> incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki..." > >> Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? > >> If so, what can we do t

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Vinc Duran wrote: > As a /user/ I'd really like it if there were always an easy to find > place for what is known to work. There's a LOT of info on the wiki but it can be a little daunting to find the newest "this is what works" kind of information. Is there any way to move the "last edited" ma

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On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:47:40PM -0600, Vinc Duran wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Curtis Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:47:51 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > > > > Jay Vaughan wrote: > > >>> This stood out for me "The tangled pile of mostly outdat

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On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Curtis Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:47:51 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > > Jay Vaughan wrote: > >>> This stood out for me "The tangled pile of mostly outdated and > >>> incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki..." Is this an

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:47:51 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > Jay Vaughan wrote: >>> This stood out for me "The tangled pile of mostly outdated and >>> incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki..." Is this an accurate >>> evaluation of the wiki ? If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we >>

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Jay Vaughan wrote: >> This stood out for me "The tangled pile of mostly outdated and >> incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki..." >> Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? >> If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we identify old content >> and schedule it for updating? > >

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Hi, On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Scott Derrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my opinion , the Wiki sucks Respectfully, I disagree. > Very difficult to find any useful information. Usually, I can find the information I am looking for with one or two searches on te wiki, for me, that's

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In my opinion , the Wiki sucks Very difficult to find any useful information. Scott Vinc Duran wrote: > I think it's accurate. > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Matt Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > I found this yesterday, thought it was quite an o

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Hi, On Gentoo you can use crossdev to buid toolchain =) See this guide for details http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/cross-development.xml Or ask someone on #gentoo-embedded on freenode On Friday 11 July 2008 10:27:36 Anthony Russello wrote: > Hi, > > Speaking as someone who is trying t

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Jay Vaughan wrote: >> This stood out for me "The tangled pile of mostly outdated and >> incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki..." >> Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? >> If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we identify old content >> and schedule it for updating? >>

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> This stood out for me "The tangled pile of mostly outdated and > incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki..." > Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? > If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we identify old content > and schedule it for updating? I think, personally, its tim

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Am Freitag 11 Juli 2008 08:27:36 schrieb Anthony Russello: > Speaking as someone who is trying to get the whole build environment up and > running for the first time, I would say it is a very accurate statement. > > Is there any good step by step how to guide on building everything from > scratch,

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Hi, Speaking as someone who is trying to get the whole build environment up and running for the first time, I would say it is a very accurate statement. Is there any good step by step how to guide on building everything from scratch, from the toolchain up? I'm using gentoo, amd64, and the latest

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It is rather accurate. I went in an updated a few links to openembed and also ended up asking the community list for how to do proper emulation as the steps listed for mokomakefile were producing an unusable QEMU image. -Shawn On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Vinc Duran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

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I think it's accurate. On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Matt Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I found this yesterday, thought it was quite an ok article. > http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars > > This stood out for me "*The tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete