Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hallo Fredrik, * Fredrik Markström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-04-08 12:59]: >I'm getting an uneasy feeling about the GTA01 power management issues, the >questions has been asked more then once in this forum, but I havn't seen >any answeres. Is openmoko trying to "put the lid on" or what ?

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

I'm getting an uneasy feeling about the GTA01 power management issues, the questions has been asked more then once in this forum, but I havn't seen any answeres. Is openmoko trying to "put the lid on" or what ? /Fredrik On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Tim Niemeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > H

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hello, as i understood correctly in GTA02 are new PCF and CPU. So it's possible that the problems in GTA01 aren't in GTA02. But the question from frederik is still unansweared. Michael any news? * Fredrik Markström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [27-01-08 17:28]: > >Michael, any progress on this issue

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

On Jan 31, 2008 2:18 PM, Tore Dalaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > WARNING: Developers only! > > Please note that the OpenMoko products are not meant for the end user and > explicitly marked as Developer preview at this time. Read this wiki article > to find more technical details of what you can a

RE: Power Management on Neo1973

what you can and cannot expect of these devices. I have been warned! Tore Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne av Fredrik Markström Sendt: 31. januar 2008 20:43 Til: List for OpenMoko community discussion Emne: Re: Power Management on Neo1973 That sucks... If I

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

That sucks... If I buy a GTA-02 and it has hardware issues, will your attention to such issues be down-prioritized in favor of the (by then) next generation hardware ? I really thought I did buy fully functional hardware in the GTA-01. Instead i had to wait forever for the GPS-stuff and now it se

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hi Tony, That's an excellent question. Fortunately it has a simple answer. The answer to your question is that we, OpenMoko, do understand the power management issues, and it has been addressed in GTA02. The unknown parts are that I, personally, don't know exactly what caused this problem, h

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Just curious how you can be certain this issue has been resolved in GTA02 if you cannot answer this question? If you dont know how GTA01 can be fixed, how do you know GTA02 is fixed? Or maybe GTA02 has this same issue? please advise > > > Fredrik Markström wrote: >> Michael, any progress on t

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Fredrik Markström wrote: Michael, any progress on this issue ? Hi Fredrik, Sorry, not yet. I'm afraid this is not at the top of the priorities right now. We recognize that it is highly important but our main focus is always on getting GTA02 out. Hopefully shortly we will be able to addr

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Michael, any progress on this issue ? Will the GTA-01 ever be usable as an everyday-phone, or is the hardware to broken ? /Fredrik On Jan 14, 2008 8:24 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tim Niemeyer wrote: > > > On another Thread was this: > > --- > > And please do get my mess

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Tim Niemeyer wrote: On another Thread was this: --- And please do get my message right - it is my *hope* that the new firmware will also improve PM since PM issues of the GSM are know to be caused by the firmware. There is no confirmation of this potential fix. Can anybody from Openmoko pleas

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hallo Nils, * Nils Faerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [14-01-08 11:36]: > > i searched on this, but didn't found what i though about... > > found something else: > > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/buglog/2007-September/005155.html > > Good catch, thanks! > And there was some explanation in that or

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Tim Niemeyer schrieb: > Hallo Nils, Hi! > i searched on this, but didn't found what i though about... > found something else: > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/buglog/2007-September/005155.html Good catch, thanks! And there was some explanation in that or close thread as well. Puh, so it was

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

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Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Michael Shiloh schrieb: > Nicolas Linkert wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:41:09 +0100, "Nils Faerber" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >>> So buttomline is I would not see it *that* black. Let's hope for the new >>> modem firmware since the modem is currently the biggest standby current >>> eater.

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Nicolas Linkert wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:41:09 +0100, "Nils Faerber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: So buttomline is I would not see it *that* black. Let's hope for the new modem firmware since the modem is currently the biggest standby current eater. I was under the impression that the las

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Now it's about 14 hours later and I'm seeing the same kind of numbers from /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgcur: 800-1700. I guess that means the battery is still not fully charged. OK I'll reboot with the current probe installed and take some more measurements: Init

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:41:09 +0100, "Nils Faerber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > So buttomline is I would not see it *that* black. Let's hope for the new > modem firmware since the modem is currently the biggest standby current > eater. I was under the impression that the last modem update occured

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

On Jan 10, 2008 2:57 PM, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah. I wonder if the battery has deteriorated somehow (from the > phone running and being plugged in to USB for days or weeks at a time, > and being overcharged? but the power management chip should not > overcharge it, right?),

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

> I was thinking of > > cutting a strip of thin, double-sided PC board material and sticking > > it between one battery contact and the corresponding phone contact, > > then connect a current meter between the two planes of that strip. Alu-stickytape applied on both sides of a thin plastic, e.g. f

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Tim Niemeyer schrieb: > Hallo Shawn, Hi! > * Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-01-08 14:19]: >> Well what's the best uptime on battery that has been seen so far, with >> unmodified phones and with an existing software image? I see less >> than 20 minutes when I'm trying to just use it as a G

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hallo Shawn, * Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-01-08 15:02]: > On Jan 10, 2008 2:40 PM, Tim Niemeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > with actual battery you need to minimize the power consumption to 10mA for > > 5h lifetime! sry, has you also realised, i mean 5day! ;-) > What is your metho

Re: Power Management on Neo1973 - kernel 2.6.24

Le jeudi 10 janvier 2008 à 22:40 +0100, Tim Niemeyer a écrit : > Today, i played a bit with power measurement and standby. > It was very surprising, and the actual power was very different from time > to time. Sometimes neo booted and did draw about 400mA in idle. Sometimes only > 280mA. > In Stan

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

On Jan 10, 2008 3:02 PM, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 10, 2008 2:40 PM, Tim Niemeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > with actual battery you need to minimize the power consumption to 10mA for > > 5h lifetime! > > It's supposed to be a 1200mAH battery, so 1200/5 is 240mA, to ge

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

On Jan 10, 2008 2:40 PM, Tim Niemeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > with actual battery you need to minimize the power consumption to 10mA for 5h > lifetime! It's supposed to be a 1200mAH battery, so 1200/5 is 240mA, to get a 5 hour lifetime, right? > When i was GPS logging for OSM (Navit with ma

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

On Jan 10, 2008 2:31 PM, Lon Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are burning through a fully charged battery in 20 min running GPS? Yeah. I wonder if the battery has deteriorated somehow (from the phone running and being plugged in to USB for days or weeks at a time, and being overcharged? b

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hallo Shawn, * Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-01-08 14:19]: > Well what's the best uptime on battery that has been seen so far, with > unmodified phones and with an existing software image? I see less > than 20 minutes when I'm trying to just use it as a GPS (logging track > points). GSM

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

You are burning through a fully charged battery in 20 min running GPS? On Jan 10, 2008 4:19 PM, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well what's the best uptime on battery that has been seen so far, with > unmodified phones and with an existing software image? I see less > than 20 minut

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Well what's the best uptime on battery that has been seen so far, with unmodified phones and with an existing software image? I see less than 20 minutes when I'm trying to just use it as a GPS (logging track points). GSM talk time ought to even be longer than that, but this is without being conne

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

It's extremely difficult (if not impossible) to properly test the hardware in a hardware/software system when the software that the hardware is depending on is incomplete and bug ridden. On Jan 10, 2008 12:16 PM, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While that's true, it was pretty clea

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Maciej Kaniewski writes: >... >What you *CAN NOT* expect yet > > - reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI > - reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI > - integrated GPRS data access > - bluetooth integration (basic bluez driver works) > - proper p

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

On Jan 10, 2008 5:41 AM, Nils Faerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you then calculate a 1200mAh battery and assume only 20mA total > standby drain this will "only" give you 60h or a little less than 3 > days. If we could get this down to a total of 10mA, which is IMHO > realistic, this would

Re: power management on Neo1973

t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:47:10 +0100 > Subject: Re: Power Management on Neo1973 > Hi, > > I sent this to FIC: > > > before I do that [send my device b

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Nicolas Linkert schrieb: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:41:09 +0100, "Nils Faerber" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> If you then calculate a 1200mAh battery and assume only 20mA total >> standby drain this will "only" give you 60h or a little less than 3 >> days. If we could get this down to a total of

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:41:09 +0100, "Nils Faerber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > If you then calculate a 1200mAh battery and assume only 20mA total > standby drain this will "only" give you 60h or a little less than 3 > days. If we could get this down to a total of 10mA, which is IMHO > realistic,

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Lorn, I'd be more than happy to use qtopia, but I need a - smowhat reliable - power management wich is in my eyes essential for a working phone. I don't care for GPRS, nor do I care for BT. But at least powert management should work. Best regards, Nicolas On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:29:47 +1000, "Lorn

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

I think your jumping the gun quite a bit All we know at the moment is that there *is* a hardware bug. We dont know; A) If the hardware bug is bypassable in software B) If the hardware is fixable by us. I did read somewhere that it was an 'incorrect resistor' problem. If this is true and the res

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

I postponed buying the neo, because the things i would do with it will include networking (wifi) and i would really like to play with 'accelerometers'. But reading the presentation i was sure that hardware was, for that version "usable". A good example what I mean in my previous post. A GTA

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

I certainly know that. But it says: - proper power management (i.e. no reasonable battery life yet) There is this tiny "yet". It suggests that it - the GTA01 - is going to have a reasonable battery life in the future. And that's not going to be the case. I think that this sentence was wri

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Nicolas Linkert schrieb: > Hi, Hi! > I certainly know that. But it says: > > - proper power management (i.e. no reasonable battery life yet) > > There is this tiny "yet". It suggests that it - the GTA01 - is going to > have a reasonable battery life in the future. And that's not going to be > th

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Robin Paulson wrote: On 10/01/2008, Maciej Kaniewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What you CAN NOT expect yet reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI integrated GPRS data access bluetooth integration (basic blu

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Maciej Kaniewski wrote: What you *CAN NOT* expect yet * reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI * reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI * integrated GPRS data access * bluetooth integration (basic bluez driver works) * proper po

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hi, I certainly know that. But it says: - proper power management (i.e. no reasonable battery life yet) There is this tiny "yet". It suggests that it - the GTA01 - is going to have a reasonable battery life in the future. And that's not going to be the case. Best regards, Nicolas On Thu, 10 J

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

On 10/01/2008, Maciej Kaniewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What you CAN NOT expect yet > reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI > reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI > integrated GPRS data access > bluetooth integration (basic bluez driver works)

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Well, if you live in a remote area of the USA, the lack of 850MHz band would prevent you from using it as a phone ;o) -id Tim Niemeyer wrote: Hi, Powermanagement isn't only suspend2ram! There are also other things! What are the hardware problems in GTA01, preventing it from using it as a ph

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hi, Powermanagement isn't only suspend2ram! There are also other things! What are the hardware problems in GTA01, preventing it from using it as a phone? * Nicolas Linkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-01-08 10:47]: > Hi, > > I sent this to FIC: > > --

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hi, from openmoko.com shop page : WARNING: Developers only! Please note that the OpenMoko products are not meant for the end user and explicitly marked as Developer preview at this time. Read this wiki articleto find more technical details of what y

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

Hi, I sent this to FIC: before I do that [send my device back to FIC and exchange it], I'll need to find out the following: Question: "I have been following the improving power management conversation on the IRC logs and on th

Re: Power Management on Neo1973

rakshat hooja wrote: Hi, I have been following the improving power management conversation on the IRC logs and on this list but am still not clear if it is only a software problem (suspend issues, devices not shutting off when being closed etc.)or there are Major hardware issues involve