Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-09-26 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
"Dr. Michael Lauer" writes: > > as far as i know, openmoko is no longer working on phones. > > Unfortunately the freedom loving people are doomed to either work on > anti-vendor-ports (such as HTC devices etc.) or live with one of the > semi-free alternatives (Palm Pre, Nokia N900). Right now th

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-18 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 13 August 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: > > Hi, > > > > When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video > > and faster processor) is going to be released??? > > Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board t

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-17 Thread omcomali . rhn
I might be the other person who likes the bezel. It's a little too close to the screen, but it prevents the screen from accidental scratches and misclicks. The resistive screen is quite soft, and I'd be afraid to put it face-down on uneven surfaces or put it in my pocket in fear that the screen

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-16 Thread Benjamin Deering
I would pre-order in the $300 us range. 500 euro is a little steep for a board with no case, speakers, touch screen, etc. It seems like the biggest problems on the GTA-02 were all with closed modules (wifi, glamo, calypso). It sounds like a UMTS module would have to be closed, but if it were

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-15 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Nikolaus, I would prefer pre orders to finance the next FR. and with a discount for the pre-order i think it is possible to raise the money for the development. lets say 400 Euro with pre-order and 500 euro without pre ordering? I might be one of the people who will preorder. ( or just buy a 5

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-14 Thread Gerald A
Heya, On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:40 AM, arne anka wrote: > >> - gain a reputation as being "open" (which might appeal to goverments as > >> well b/c of several reasons) > > > > Or not -- see the current spat over Blackberry in India/UAE/etc. "Open" > isn't > > good for governments looking for ti

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-14 Thread arne anka
>> - gain a reputation as being "open" (which might appeal to goverments as >> well b/c of several reasons) >> > > Or not -- see the current spat over Blackberry in India/UAE/etc. "Open" > isn't > good for governments looking for tight controls. And while it might be > great > for their citizens,

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-14 Thread Gerald A
First, let me start by saying I bought a Neo 1973, and would support such a device again -- depending on my finances at the time. :) On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:41 AM, arne anka wrote: > > And, I never understood why we should assume, that a premier league > > player would ever care for a small co

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-14 Thread Sylvain Paré
+1 Rui Miguel too! 2010/8/14 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > Em 13-08-2010 10:56, Matthias Apitz escreveu: > >> Em 13-08-2010 10:49, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escreveu: > >> Do I interpret you correclty, that your answer to my questions are: > >> > >> * I will wait *any* time, as long as it fulfills my

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-14 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, Am 14.08.2010 um 09:48 schrieb David Morris: > Hi Dr. Schaller, > > I am interested in new boards with umts. I would like more openness with the > radio module including dynamically assigning an imei and using a remote sim > card. Unfortunately this is beyond what we can provide. The tr

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:53:07PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escribió: > Em 13-08-2010 10:37, Matthias Apitz escreveu: > > Wrong question, for me. > > > > I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: > > > > - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/F

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Neil Brown
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:27:38 +0100 Ben Thompson wrote: > > To finance the next phase, we are thinking about asking for donations or to > > hold an auction for the first 5 or 10 prototype units. What would you think > > of such an approach? > > I'm not keen on either (although would consider a

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 13-08-2010 10:56, Matthias Apitz escreveu: >> Em 13-08-2010 10:49, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escreveu: >> Do I interpret you correclty, that your answer to my questions are: >> >> * I will wait *any* time, as long as it fulfills my opensource requirements > > yes; > >> * I accept any price > >

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 13-08-2010 10:37, Matthias Apitz escreveu: > Wrong question, for me. > > I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: > > - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly Ah, so you'll not be using any Android/Linux, I see :) Rui _

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread steve
Le 13-08-2010, à 19:45:51 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller (h...@computer.org) a écrit : > such a thing is quite unlikely to expect from any large phone manufacturer. > Even if they open up an existing design. They ususally squeeze every bit out > of the design to reduce manufacturing cost and m

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread arne anka
found the link to the samsung open sourcing hw specs > http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-releases-captivate-source-code-developers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Brian
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" wrote: > > Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: > > > Hi, > > > > When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D > > video and faster processor) is going to be released??? > > Assume, you could get a motherbo

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Brian
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:02:35 +0200 "Dr. Michael Lauer" wrote: > > Am 13.08.2010 um 03:45 schrieb Joshua Judson Rosen: > > > Brian writes: > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:55:21 +0200 > >> "Dr. Michael Lauer" wrote: > >>> > >>> Unfortunately the freedom loving people are doomed to either wor

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Ben Thompson
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:18:36PM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > > Am 13.08.2010 um 12:35 schrieb Neil Brown: > > > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200 > > "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" wrote: > > > >> > >> Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> When is th

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 13.08.2010 um 11:51 schrieb arne anka: >> Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the >> Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or >> DM3730) and UMTS. >> >> Let me ask two questions to everybody: >> * How long could you be willing to wa

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 13.08.2010 um 19:33 schrieb Christoph Mair: > Am Freitag 13 August 2010, 11:47:26 schrieb sam tygier: >> On 13/08/10 10:37, Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) >> >> +1 >> >> with emphasis on being about to modify > I won't buy something without documented test/sol

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Christoph Mair
Am Freitag 13 August 2010, 11:47:26 schrieb sam tygier: > On 13/08/10 10:37, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) > > +1 > > with emphasis on being about to modify I won't buy something without documented test/solder pads for hardware extensions. Christoph ___

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
> Am 13.08.2010 um 12:35 schrieb Neil Brown: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200 > "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" wrote: > >> >> Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video >>> and faster processor) is goin

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Sylvain Paré
I totaly agree with Mattias! 2010/8/13 Matthias Apitz > El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:49:13AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus > Schaller escribió: > > > > > Am 13.08.2010 um 11:37 schrieb Matthias Apitz: > > > > > El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus > Schaller

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Dr. Michael Lauer
Am 13.08.2010 um 03:45 schrieb Joshua Judson Rosen: > Brian writes: >> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:55:21 +0200 >> "Dr. Michael Lauer" wrote: >>> >>> Unfortunately the freedom loving people are doomed to either work on >>> anti-vendor-ports (such as HTC devices etc.) or live with one of the >>>

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Julius Gehr
> > I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: > > > > - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly > > - does not have X11 > > - does not provide access by SSH to the system > > - does not have a resistive touchscreen (to address single pixel) > > >

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Hans Zimmerman
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" wrote: > Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: > >> Hi, >> >> When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D >> video and faster processor) is going to be released??? > > Assume, you could get a motherboard upg

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread arne anka
> And, I never understood why we should assume, that a premier league > player would ever care for a small community like ours. not for that small community per se. it would most likely be only a intersection of interests. the manufacturer would be able to - gain a reputation as being "open" (wh

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Neil Brown
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:22:02 +0200 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" wrote: > > Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: > > > Hi, > > > > When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video > > and faster processor) is going to be released??? > > Assume, you could get a motherb

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 13.08.2010 um 11:53 schrieb arne anka: > wasn't there something about samsung making the hw specs public for at > least one of their samrtphones? i can't find that news article again. > and a long time ago someone (raster? can't find that mail) wrote about big > things to come -- even that

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Ben Thompson
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: > > > Hi, > > > > When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video > > and faster processor) is going to be released??? > > Assume, you could get a moth

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:49:13AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: > > Am 13.08.2010 um 11:37 schrieb Matthias Apitz: > > > El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus > > Schaller escribió: > > > >> > >> Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread arne anka
wasn't there something about samsung making the hw specs public for at least one of their samrtphones? i can't find that news article again. and a long time ago someone (raster? can't find that mail) wrote about big things to come -- even that in connection with samsung? __

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread arne anka
> Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the > Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP3 SoC (OMAP3530 or > DM3730) and UMTS. > > Let me ask two questions to everybody: > * How long could you be willing to wait for it to really become > available? > * How m

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 13.08.2010 um 11:37 schrieb Matthias Apitz: > El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus > Schaller escribió: > >> >> Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video >>> and fa

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread sam tygier
On 13/08/10 10:37, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Give me UNIX or give me a pencil :-) +1 with emphasis on being about to modify ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
Le 13/08/2010 11:37, Matthias Apitz a écrit : > Wrong question, for me. > > I will not use any other 'smartphone' (computerphone), which: > > - is not Linux or FreeBSD driven and open as Linux/FreeBSD are normaly > - does not have X11 > - does not provide access by SSH to the system > - does not

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, August 13, 2010 a las 11:22:02AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: > > Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: > > > Hi, > > > > When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video > > and faster processor) is going to be released??? > > Assume, yo

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 12.08.2010 um 14:12 schrieb RANJAN: > Hi, > > When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and > faster processor) is going to be released??? Assume, you could get a motherboard upgrade board that fits into the Freerunner (or Neo1973) case. Based on the TI OMAP

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-12 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Brian writes: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:55:21 +0200 > "Dr. Michael Lauer" wrote: > > > > Unfortunately the freedom loving people are doomed to either work on > > anti-vendor-ports (such as HTC devices etc.) or live with one of the > > semi-free alternatives (Palm Pre, Nokia N900). Right now ther

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-12 Thread sam tygier
On 12/08/10 13:12, RANJAN wrote: > Hi, > > When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D > video and faster processor) is going to be released??? > > Regards > Sriranjan there are 2 projects working on a future open phone. GTA02-core http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gta02-core

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-12 Thread Brian
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:55:21 +0200 "Dr. Michael Lauer" wrote: > Hi Sriranjan, > > as far as i know, openmoko is no longer working on phones. > That does seem to be the case and it is a shame. > Unfortunately the freedom loving people are doomed to either work on > anti-vendor-ports (such as H

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-12 Thread Dr. Michael Lauer
Hi Sriranjan, as far as i know, openmoko is no longer working on phones. Unfortunately the freedom loving people are doomed to either work on anti-vendor-ports (such as HTC devices etc.) or live with one of the semi-free alternatives (Palm Pre, Nokia N900). Right now there is no device rivaling

RE: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-12 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
> Hi, Hello, there (-= > > When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video and faster processor) is going to be released??? As soon as you design it? I've heard that some people are looking at taking the openmoko core project and trying to apply it to better hardware.

Re: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-12 Thread Nashvin Gangaram
Hi I don't think anytime soon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko#Canceled_devices Regards, Nashvin On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:12 PM, RANJAN wrote: > Hi, > > When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D video > and faster processor) is going to be released??? > > Reg