Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/21 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Graeme seems to be planning to do his xorg version of Xglamo partially > in kernelspace to unify the locking, that would be when to do this too. > > The Glamo's interrupt itself is supported and working, it's the basis > for the same waiting strategy (yi

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | 2008/11/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | | | XSync sends a request to x and waits for a reply - so your client | app will stop | and wait until

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

harald welte did good for via: http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/pressrelease.jsp?press_release_no=2887 let's ship him to smedia :) On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Nicola Mfb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> XSync sends a

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > XSync sends a request to x and waits for a reply - so your client app will > stop > and wait until x replies. x will reply once it has completed all existing > requests - that means the XCopeArea. while your app is waiting xglamo is

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Hi, all this talking without outcome is very boring to read. :| I cannot help with the development of a free 3D-capable driver for the Glamo directly instead I offer money! As soon as cofundos.org is working again (I hope they haven't shut it down) I will create a project and offer 50€ to the peo

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:19:59 +0100 "Nicola Mfb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > 2008/11/20 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > it's accelerated - but likely polling the command queue status as you have > > no > > interrupts thanks to the linux kernel's policy of not exporting

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/20 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > it's accelerated - but likely polling the command queue status as you have > no > interrupts thanks to the linux kernel's policy of not exporting interrupts > to > userspace, so you're stuck with a poll loop. i can't remember if glamo

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | so right now other than bugs and trying to minimise cpu overhead on handling | the commandqueue 2d is done - it's not getting "faster". only thing left is 3d. | and that comes with a long list of gotchas. t

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:09 AM, Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/21 Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I'm taking a protective role for the community in all this. IMHO the >> community's what makes the OM phone interesting. I'd rather not see >> well-intentioned hackers spen

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/21 Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As Raster's already pushed hard on Glamo acceleration, and I know he's > quite capable (I was an old enlightenment WM user back in the day), I > consider the glamo issue closed. We're stuck with what we have, and > simply have to find ways to be effici

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Wolfgang, Raster: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:28 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The GTA02's been on the brink of obsolescence since the day it was >> > introduced. >> Don't agree with you. In the long run everything is obsolete. > > i think he is referring to us

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Timo, > You will find echo fixed in Openmoko's 2008.11 release, if you keep > using the Openmoko distro, and responsiveness and touch screen > usability will also improve with 2008.11 release. End call / accept You are right that people are working on these things and fixes appear. However, pleas

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:59:42 +0800 Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Lally, > > > how long is OM going to be using the Glamo? > The glamo will be kept for the lifetime of gta02, i.e. every gta02 > will have the glamo chip. > For gta03, release date unknown, the decision is to not h

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Lally, > how long is OM going to be using the Glamo? The glamo will be kept for the lifetime of gta02, i.e. every gta02 will have the glamo chip. For gta03, release date unknown, the decision is to not have a glamo, we use the acceleration of the SoC. > The GTA02's been on the brink of obsol

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:11:58 +0100 Sascha Wessel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Hi, > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:28:44PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > the policy of the kernel developers is not to export interrupts to > > usersapce in a generic way - or it hasn't been in the past. this

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Hi, On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:28:44PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > the policy of the kernel developers is not to export interrupts to usersapce > in > a generic way - or it hasn't been in the past. this may have changed recently. > so u can patch and create a specific driver just for glamo

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:18:25 +0100 Sascha Wessel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Hi, > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 09:16:15AM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:00:02 +0100 "Nicola Mfb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > I wrote a small code snippet to test XCopyArea perfo

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Hi, On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 09:16:15AM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:00:02 +0100 "Nicola Mfb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > I wrote a small code snippet to test XCopyArea performance, and it seems to > > do about 25fps smoothscrolling but at the cost of XGlamo using 70

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:00:02 +0100 "Nicola Mfb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > 2008/11/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > [...] > > evas supports opengl too. no it doesn't have an advantage, as glamo won't > > be > > doing opengl at VGA (the resolution of the device) so y

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > evas supports opengl too. no it doesn't have an advantage, as glamo won't > be > doing opengl at VGA (the resolution of the device) so you won't be doing it > for > normal 2D UI's (thus my comments of it being of limited use f

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Warren Baird wrote: OM2008.9 and FSO walk into a bar. "How are you? How are you?" asks FSO. "Buzzz" says OM2008.9 LOL! (for once, usage of that horrible acronym is actually appropriate - I really did laugh out loud!) this is my new splash screen... :D moko_bar.gz Description: GN

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hehehe, it's good to see OM people having a sense of humour as well! :) Steve Mosher wrote: > they don't already? > please issue a ticket. we'll fix the bug. > > George Brooke wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:47 +1100 >> Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Tig wrote: >>

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

OM2008.9 and FSO walk into a bar. "How are you? How are you?" asks FSO. "Buzzz" says OM2008.9 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Tig wrote: > > Ok I will bite :) > > > > Q: Why did OM cross the road? > > A: To get to another toolkit :) > > __

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they don't already? please issue a ticket. we'll fix the bug. George Brooke wrote: > On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:47 +1100 > Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Tig wrote: >>> Ok I will bite :) >>> >>> Q: Why did OM cross the road? >>> A: To get to another toolkit :) >>> >>> Q: How many

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

For those of you who are interested in the fltkwish package for the FR, I have added a couple of ipk packages to the SF repository. The fb2image package is a small screen shot utility that is capable of generating either png or jpg images from a sub-window of the FR screen. The fltkwishlibs package

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On 19 Nov 2008, at 08:46, Dale Maggee wrote: >>> Q: What's the difference between a brick and a freerunner? >>> A: A brick isn't designed to make phone calls. >> Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos >> > > Brilliant! > > 1. Save either attachment somewhere > 2. Use NeoTool or

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On 18 Nov 2008, at 13:01, Dale Maggee wrote: > ... > Q: What's the difference between an iphone and a freerunner? > A: One works but takes away your freedom, the other is free but needs > your work <3 <3 <3 Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing li

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On 18 Nov 2008, at 13:22, Nicola Mfb wrote: > ... > Yes! When someone asks me if it's a good idea to give a try to > gentoo (my preferred distro) I point them to: > http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Gentoo > :) From TFA: Old-school Linux users were desperate to find a new way to

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos solar.george Brilliant! 1. Save either attachment somewhere 2. Use NeoTool or 'dfu-util -a splash -R -D ' to flash the new splash to your neo 3. power down then turn on your neo 4. Laugh. :D -Dale moko_brick.gz Description:

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:47 +1100 Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tig wrote: > > Ok I will bite :) > > > > Q: Why did OM cross the road? > > A: To get to another toolkit :) > > > > Q: How many OM devs does it take to change a lightbulb? > > A: Well first we need to abandon the old li

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:01:51 +0100 "Nicola Mfb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > 2008/11/17 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > [...] > > no - it's not possible to do a "scroll" (via blit) as you have > > alpha channels, layered objects etc. etc. - just trust me in that the co

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Okay, for those of you who would like to test out this thing on your FR, you can get an ipk from the fltkwish project on sourceforge.net. Once you have Tcl on your phone (opkg install tcl), and the required graphics libraries, you can do a quick test with the following script: #!/bin/sh

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:58:41 -0500 "Iain B. Findleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (IBF) wrote: >No problem, although my setup is not opkg ready yet. As my stuff uses >Tcl, libjpeg,libpng,libtiff, the setup is not pretty yet, but if you >are a Linux handyman type, it can be done. Otherwise, it will have t

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

No problem, although my setup is not opkg ready yet. As my stuff uses Tcl, libjpeg,libpng,libtiff, the setup is not pretty yet, but if you are a Linux handyman type, it can be done. Otherwise, it will have to wait until I get around to package it all up... Nicola Mfb wrote: > 2008/11/17 Iain B. Fi

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/17 Iain B. Findleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have implemented an image display script on the FR that demonstrates > smooth scroll in the form of dragging the image about the screen. Works > for fairly large images (colour weather maps of North America). The > application uses the FLTK tool

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/17 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] no - it's not possible to do a "scroll" (via blit) as you have > alpha channels, layered objects etc. etc. - just trust me in that the cost > of > trying to figure out a blit - if it is possible is probably much higher > than >

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008/11/14 Minh Ha Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 > > > or it'll be hard to get much new customers... > > Actually I have never read any jokes about the software stack. But it is a > sign of good mental health when a community is

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

> Knock, Knock > Who's There? > A Neo User > A Neo User +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Tig wrote: > Ok I will bite :) > > Q: Why did OM cross the road? > A: To get to another toolkit :) > > Q: How many OM devs does it take to change a lightbulb? > A: Well first we need to abandon the old lightbulb holder because at a later > date we may not be able to plug a floodlight in, bring

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Minh Ha Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 > > > or it'll be hard to get much new customers... > > Actually I have never read any jokes about the software stack. But it is a > sign of good mental health when a community i

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Iain B. Findleton wrote: > > the main issue with optimization efforts is whether they can proceed > faster than the > introduction of better hardware. If a 400 Mhz machine is "too slow", > will a 1 Ghz machine be fast enough? Will anything be fast enough? > Apparently, from the history of deskt

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Aliner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Graeme Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 11:58 -0500, Aliner wrote: >> > If we work on having x.org server working on the FR, wouldn't that >> > help for whatever comes

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 12:12 -0500, Aliner wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Graeme Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 11:58 -0500, Aliner wrote: > > If we work on having x.org server working on the FR, > wouldn't that > > help for w

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Graeme Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 11:58 -0500, Aliner wrote: > > If we work on having x.org server working on the FR, wouldn't that > > help for whatever comes next?. At least we would have some working > > knowledge on how to develo

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 11:58 -0500, Aliner wrote: > If we work on having x.org server working on the FR, wouldn't that > help for whatever comes next?. At least we would have some working > knowledge on how to develop drivers for X, and a team of programmers > with ample knowledge on all things rega

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

If we work on having x.org server working on the FR, wouldn't that help for whatever comes next?. At least we would have some working knowledge on how to develop drivers for X, and a team of programmers with ample knowledge on all things regarding the x.org Server. I mean, the thing is modularized

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

I have implemented an image display script on the FR that demonstrates smooth scroll in the form of dragging the image about the screen. Works for fairly large images (colour weather maps of North America). The application uses the FLTK tool kit with double buffering through X. Nicola Mfb wrote:

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Personally I don't think we should spend a lot of precious time on glamo. It's working now reasonably well - Rasterman's illume looks good - it has effects and it's not to slow. The reason why in my opinion openmoko shouldn't spend time on this is simple - it has a lot more important tasks to do.

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

> > It does require special skills and tools. If the posts in the hardware list > were not enough for you to see the fix then you shouldn't attempt it. > > Angus Hum Sorry to ask again, but.. A solution has been found ? Or this solderings and pin things are for tests purposes only ? If the so

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:46 AM, kimaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok thanks, I have just read the hundreds if topics on it... the problem is > I am no electronicien so I did not understand if a "workaround" has been > found : I read about soldering, sticky tape. If there is a workaround,

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

So far, on the FR, I remain to be convinced that the use of X is the critical performance issue. In any event, the main issue with optimization efforts is whether they can proceed faster than the introduction of better hardware. If a 400 Mhz machine is "too slow", will a 1 Ghz machine be fast enoug

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:30:31 +0100 "Nicola Mfb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > Hi Raster! before reading this post I supposed that 2d acceleration was very > partially implemented. This cames out for example because I never see a > smooth scroll on the device. So what is the reason for this? gla

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Ok thanks, I have just read the hundreds if topics on it... the problem is I am no electronicien so I did not understand if a "workaround" has been found : I read about soldering, sticky tape. If there is a workaround, is there a webpage with clear instructions ? (by clear I mean for non-elecro

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/17 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > this is the thing.. the drvier is ALREADY doing this. i repeat this > ad-nauseum. the acceleration is the same u get in the "nv" driver or you > saw a > few years back in the i8xx drivers etc. you get blit and fill accelerated

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Le lundi 17 novembre 2008, kimaidou a écrit : > About the buzzin issue, I would like to be sure : is it or is it not > hardware related ? I heard about a "soldering" fix of one electronic > component which could get rid of the interferences... > Has anyone more information ? It is hardware related

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > 2008/11/17 Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > $400 for a phone is a reasonable investment. But months of work in > > one's spare time is much bigger. Before anyone commits to a > > large-scale project, I think it's fai

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

About the buzzin issue, I would like to be sure : is it or is it not hardware related ? I heard about a "soldering" fix of one electronic component which could get rid of the interferences... Has anyone more information ? Kimaidou 2008/11/17 Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2008/11/14 Gothnet

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Coding is fun! That's why we have > accelerometer-controlled Doom working fluently before phone calls, and > I think it's great ;) > I'm just starting my day here on the East coast of the U.S.. I'm confident what you just w

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> FWIW I talked this over with an experienced 3D guy recently about |> something related and he was all in favour of discarding the kdr

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/17 Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > $400 for a phone is a reasonable investment. But months of work in > one's spare time is much bigger. Before anyone commits to a > large-scale project, I think it's fair to ask OM what their plans are > with this chip. Hey people, please don't under

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/14 Gothnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It really needs work on the basics. I mean, responsiveness is not there, > interface is dodgy (the "end call" button being in the same spot as the > "accept call" button, and being unresponsive, made me hang up s many > calls). Echo on calls, battery li

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

The idea, as it stands now, is for a community led effort to implement OpenGL ES support for the Glamo. There was also mention of trying to assist a clean room documentation project so the documents can be out in the community for people to do with as the please, and later if enough people are mot

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:54:55 +0800 John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:05:16AM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > x's internals are definitely up for improvement - callium3d is there to try > > and fix this by providing a better more organised and better accele

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:40:19 -0500 "Lally Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Well then, > > Therein lies the question, how long is OM going to be using the > Glamo? There's apparently some real potential in the device, but > that's really measured as much by the chip's relevance as its > fu

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:49 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:22:29 + Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > >> >> On 15 Nov 2008, at 07:08, Kishore wrote: >> >> > On Friday 14 Nov 2008 8:13:20 pm Gothnet wrote: >> >> Also, I know everyon

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Well then, Therein lies the question, how long is OM going to be using the Glamo? There's apparently some real potential in the device, but that's really measured as much by the chip's relevance as its functionality. The GTA02's been on the brink of obsolescence since the day it was introduc

Re: Xlib (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Monday 17 Nov 2008 11:24:55 am John Lee wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:05:16AM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > x's internals are definitely up for improvement - callium3d is there to > > try and fix this by providing a better more organised and better > > accelerated driver layer - but

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:05:16AM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > x's internals are definitely up for improvement - callium3d is there to try > and fix this by providing a better more organised and better accelerated > driver > layer - but again - they aren't going to replace x... just clean

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Those are some good questions. From what I understand the Glamo is > fixed-function and supports OpenGL ES 1.1. As far as changing Xglamo to > be based on X over kdrive, I think to start, it would be best to leave > Xglamo the way it is and just ad

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008/11/17 Gothnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > If OM drop efforts to make 02 better, then they'll probably have a lot of > folks that just won't buy the 03 because they're angry. > About freerunner in general if Openmoko will drop effort on it they'll have to ship a gta03 without issues otherwise p

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Gothnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lally Singh wrote: >> Just fair warning here. As I don't think OM will use the Glamo in >> future devices, doing the "right thing" isn't as critical as normal >> software projects... > Doing the right this IS critical to support

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Lally Singh wrote: > > > Just fair warning here. As I don't think OM will use the Glamo in > future devices, doing the "right thing" isn't as critical as normal > software projects... > > -- > H. Lally Singh > Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science > Virginia Tech > > Doing the right this IS c

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW I talked this over with an experienced 3D guy recently about > something related and he was all in favour of discarding the kdrive > implementation and making a pure xorg one as a way forward: he told that > kdrive itself

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I have some questions, the glamo chip contains 3d support, what | version of OpenGL (or OpenGL ES) is implemented? | Are we still going to keep Xglamo (kdrive) or are we goint to use | X.org

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

What about using a software opengl es implementation ? I used to play on this on wince targets (using vincent) Anyway that's a job I'd like to be involved in , if I had time to -- Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/OpenGlEs ___ Openmoko communi

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Aliner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can count me in. I have experience doing kernel development. Since the > documentation is not available, I saw a couple of pointers on how to start > on the nouveau project. They have an excellent section on tools and > docum

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

You can count me in. I have experience doing kernel development. Since the documentation is not available, I saw a couple of pointers on how to start on the nouveau project. They have an excellent section on tools and documentation. http://nouveau.freedesktoplorg/wiki. I have some questions, the g

Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

Jacob Peterson wrote: > There has been some discussion on the recently about the Glamo and > OpenGL where Wolfgang called for serious developers to get in touch with > him and he would see what could be done about getting access to the > NDA'ed Glamo documents [1]. A couple of developers responded

Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

There has been some discussion on the recently about the Glamo and OpenGL where Wolfgang called for serious developers to get in touch with him and he would see what could be done about getting access to the NDA'ed Glamo documents [1]. A couple of developers responded saying they were interested.

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Tim Schmidt wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, >> please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to >> extend the smedia documentation to you. >> In fact w

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Tim Schmidt wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, >> please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to >> extend the smedia documentation to you. >> In fact w

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

I just wanted to update. I am trying to locate all the information I can relating to the Glamo, including projects using the hardware acceleration features of it on this wiki page [1]. I would like to use that page as a starting point to help organize an effort to get something underway with rega

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Tim Schmidt wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am not a skilled developer, but I would be more than happy to > organize, and participate in a traditional clean room > re-implementation of the documentation. > > As a GTA02 owner, as a founding m

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Tim Schmidt wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, >> please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to >> extend the smedia documentation to you. >> In fact w

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Michele Renda wrote, on 2008-11-14 23:59: > PS. Some hints on future OpenGL chips can arrive inside the next GTAXX > versions? :) Try http://www.opengraphics.org/ - once the FGPA version is fully debugged, an ASIC version could be produced. Arthur. ___

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 2:43 PM, David Pottage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless we want a closed source driver, I don't think that would work. > > Reading between the lines on the Tungsten Graphics website. it looks to me > that they have one core graphics driver, that they keep porting to whate

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:07:25 +0530 Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Raster! Wow! Thanks for the detailed response. Really good to know :) > Well, I certainly do not think that direct fb is a better option over X. It > sure is crippling to not have multiple apps have access to the screen whi

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On Friday 14 November 2008 15:46:34 Yorick Moko wrote: > somebody (leinir) on irc suggested you could maybe hire > http://www.tungstengraphics.com ( Tungsten Graphics being the > people behind gallium3d of course) > although I don't know how much openmoko is willing to spend on it Unless we want a

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:36 AM, Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, Wolfgang, hopefully you didn't miss Tim's post, sounds promising > :) As do the other offers of help. I'd just really like to get documentation out into the wild. I understand that performance is unlikely to ever be

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Saturday 15 Nov 2008 3:19:10 pm Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:22:29 + Stroller > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > On 15 Nov 2008, at 07:08, Kishore wrote: > > > On Friday 14 Nov 2008 8:13:20 pm Gothnet wrote: > > >> Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the b

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Great to hear that! > Over the next few weeks I shall be working on Xglamo to bring it into > the Xorg family of drivers. If people come up with interesting patches > while I am working on this I can certainly give them a tryout. > > Graeme (XorA) > > > >

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

> 2008/11/14 Tim Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I am not a skilled developer, but I would be more than happy to >> organize, and participate in a traditional clean room >> re-implementation of the documentation. >> >> As a GTA02 owner, as a founding member of the Open Graphics Project, >> as a Dire

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 07:20 +, Stroller wrote: > Having said that, I thought one of your engineers was already working > on Glamo or XGlamo or whatever is required to use the chip's hardware > acceleration. It would be good for Openmoko to reaffirm its commitment > to that, to offer goals

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:22:29 + Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > On 15 Nov 2008, at 07:08, Kishore wrote: > > > On Friday 14 Nov 2008 8:13:20 pm Gothnet wrote: > >> Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for > >> a low > >> powered device that needs a respo

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On 15 Nov 2008, at 07:08, Kishore wrote: > On Friday 14 Nov 2008 8:13:20 pm Gothnet wrote: >> Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for >> a low >> powered device that needs a responsive UI? > ... > I still would like to know more in terms of performance and memory >

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On 14 Nov 2008, at 13:11, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > ... > We have decided to make changes to the hardware only incrementally, > along product lines of our current chip vendors whenever possible, so > that as much as possible of the software effort can carry over. We > have decided to focus our inte

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Friday 14 Nov 2008 8:13:20 pm Gothnet wrote: > Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for a low > powered device that needs a responsive UI? I am just curious about this. I hope someone can comment on this. My thought is that X is used because most apps that already ex

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

On 14 Nov 2008, at 16:10, Minh Ha Duong wrote: > Le vendredi 14 novembre 2008, Yorick Moko a écrit : >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > wrote: >>> Jacob, >>> Glamo is not a forbidden topic. >>> >>> Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develo

Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Angus Ainslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Jacob Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> I know the buzzing issue had quite a bit of attention from the Openmoko >> team, judging from watching the traffic on the Hardware and Kernel ma

Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, > please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to > extend the smedia documentation to you. > In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not > sure how m

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