Re: OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park

The choice for Android to let programmers develop only using java would let me develop for Openmoko. I don't have a Neo yet, though. Kind regards, Hans Bakker 2008/1/16, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Good question, Jeffrey, and you suggest a question that I'd like to ask > you, the commu

Re: OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park

Good question, Jeffrey, and you suggest a question that I'd like to ask you, the community: Why do you chose to develop on OpenMoko, rather than on Android? Or do you do both? (Beside the lack of Android hardware) Michael Jeffrey Thomas wrote: I am unable to attend this meeting due to geo

Re: OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park

I am unable to attend this meeting due to geography, but if anyone is in attendance I would be interested to hear the Google people's response to why they felt the need to start a competitive project rather than join the OpenMoko team. Michael, as an official in the OpenMoko community, I wouldn

Re: OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park

By the way, the wiki mentioned below is at http://hbmobile.org/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO_Pages The website is a useful resource in general, and OpenMoko is mentioned there too. Michael Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Sorry for the short notice. The monthly meeting of the Silicon Valley

OpenMoko will be at SVHMPC meeting TONIGHT in Menlo Park

Hi, Sorry for the short notice. The monthly meeting of the Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club (SVHMPC) is tonight, and the topic is open source Linux frameworks for mobile devices. Google will discuss Android, and I'll discuss OpenMoko. The meeting is free and is held at The

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES:

Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: >> Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/ > > Sure you can - put a switch in the phone's advanced preferences! :') > > Anyway, I have always felt that with a littl

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES:

. Then there would be feedback on the progress of the boot and people that wanted could always switch to the boot scroll. kenneth marken wrote: On Saturday 12 January 2008 07:26:18 Ted Lemon wrote: On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the "not so happy"

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES:

Schmidt András writes: >You are absolutely right! I couldn't catch any meaning of the post. >Maybe the guy who wrote it should have some mental treatment. Or is it >funny? Looking at some other takezero.net posts, they all read like that. Some of them (like http://takezero.net/3g-a

Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/ Sure you can - put a switch in the phone's advanced preferences! :') Anyway, I have always felt that with a little dress-up, the verbose startup could beco

Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-) And it can't run down the batteries... :') ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.o

Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

Hello, On Jan 12, 2008 5:34 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course, > it's > scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may > come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone

Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: >> I read the "not so happy" comments following the Gizmodo article. >> A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the >> repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. &g

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Jan 12, 2008 3:12 PM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never > stops > looping and wonder why it does not... > > For sure, but it seem importqnt to be able to hide the boot scroll for

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Friday 11 January 2008 23:20:51 Lon Lentz wrote: > > I would recommend everyone go read Wired's article on the story of the > iPhone development. Read about how well their prototype did. Hint: The > iPhone didn't magically appear as a finished project out of thin air by > shear will power. The

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Saturday 12 January 2008 07:26:18 Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: > > I read the "not so happy" comments following the Gizmodo article. > > A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the > > repeated ones abou

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES:

n-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 I couldn't help noticing that the takezero.net post reads like it was produced using Markov Chains. Forgive my naivete if this is an inside joke of some kind. I was surprised to see at least one expletive in the post. Perhaps it's a cas

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

Hello, On Jan 12, 2008 7:42 AM, Jeff Andros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > agreed... plus how often does a consumer ready phone get rebooted? last > time I did mine was to swap the sim card into my neo > In my experience it is like this: Nokia phones needs to be rebooted every week. This has bee

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Jan 11, 2008 12:21 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Lon, > > Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and > apparently even more have appeared: > > http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on >

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Jan 11, 2008 11:26 PM, Ted Lemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: > > I read the "not so happy" comments following the Gizmodo article. > > A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the > >

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the "not so happy" comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

Thanks, Michael. That was what I was looking for. Geek tech sites covering you guys at the show. I read the "not so happy" comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible.

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

better results with the software releases. > Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world > before it gets crushed and forgotten. I would hope there is a sexier follow-on product with even more features. But I imagine there will be increasing amounts of competition too

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On 1/11/08, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Lon, > > Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and > apparently even more have appeared: > > http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on > http://take

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Friday 11 January 2008 21:21:41 Michael Shiloh wrote: > Hi Lon, > > Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and > apparently even more have appeared: > > http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on > http://takezero.n

Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 http

Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

think particularly as the next wave ships out and the software becomes more final, local clubs would be a really cool way to get exposure and perhaps even some viral marketing - get some people blogging or twittering about it and you might not have enough seats to go around (at least here in si

Re: OpenMoko talk at Ontario Linux Fest, October 13, Toronto, Canada

Ontario Linux is expecting about 600 attendees and has several tracks. Check out http://onlinux.ca for details and to register if you're able to attend. Hey Ian, Thanks for mentioning this on the list. I happen to be in the TO area this weekend and now I'm going to come to your talk (and th

RE: OpenMoko talk at Ontario Linux Fest, October 13, Toronto, Canada

>The attendees are mostly Linux fans but I'm guessing >most of them won't know much about OpenMoko If you're going to cover anything that wasn't covered in the Tossug talk[1], could you try to get your talk filmed and made available to us? [1] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-857471547134

Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

Indeed, and many participants are active on this list as well. There is a good flow of information between the lists. Michael Lon Lentz wrote: There's a Homebrew Mobile Phone Club? I am so on the wrong coast. On 10/8/07, *Michael Shiloh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wro

Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

There's a Homebrew Mobile Phone Club? I am so on the wrong coast. On 10/8/07, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Unfortunately, this conflicts with the monthly Silicon Valley Homebrew > Mobile Phone Club Meeting. Perhaps they would like to join us for beer > afterwards. > > ___

Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

OTECTED]>> wrote: Hi, I'll be giving a talk about OpenMoko at the SDForum's meeting this Wednesday, October 10, in Palo Alto, California Michael -- Jeff O|||O

OpenMoko talk at Ontario Linux Fest, October 13, Toronto, Canada

A busy week for OM talks in North America! This has been on the "current events" page for a while, but just to reiterate: I'll be giving a presentation about OpenMoko at the Ontario Linux Fest in Toronto on Saturday, Oct 13th. The attendees are mostly Linux fans but I'm g

Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

someone get video? I'd love to see the vi slides ;-) On 10/8/07, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'll be giving a talk about OpenMoko at the SDForum's meeting this > Wednesday, October 10, in Palo Alto, Californi

OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto

Hi, I'll be giving a talk about OpenMoko at the SDForum's meeting this Wednesday, October 10, in Palo Alto, California: http://www.sdforum.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Calendar.eventDetail&eventID=12934 The Software Developer Forum (SDForum) sponsors regular talks an various areas

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Tuesday 28 August 2007 17:05:20 Attila Csipa wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2007 16:39:54 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. > > This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;) > Can you

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

On Monday 10 September 2007 12:18:39 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > Iphone's international plan in 29 countries, mostly in Europe, costs > > $24.99 for 20 megabytes. > > Which isn't even tha tbad considering my telco wants 5 CHF (roughly 4USD) > per month. I meant to say MB, obviously. signature.asc

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

On Monday 10 September 2007 12:47:26 Giles Jones wrote: > Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > This not because Apple or AT&T are evil. It's actually a bug (or call it > > a design shortcoming) and could happen to anyone. > > I'd actually call

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

On Monday 10 September 2007 12:03:05 Raphaël Jacquot wrote: > Normally it does not cost US users for domestic data transfers, but the > Iphone's international plan in 29 countries, mostly in Europe, costs > $24.99 for 20 megabytes. Which isn't even tha tbad considering my telco wants 5 CHF (rough

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

e available when the user turns it on. This not because Apple or AT&T are evil. It's actually a bug (or call it a design shortcoming) and could happen to anyone. OpenMoko should probably include some system-wide network access management that avoids huge roaming bills. Applic

Re: GSM/GPRS at same time? (was: Re: does dialer supports multiple calls at a time??)

On ti, 2007-09-18 at 04:55 -0400, Steve wrote: > I have a GPRS question, the wiki says (on the iphone comparison page) > that it is class 12/cs4. That describes speed and number of channels. > There's a third classification, A-C, which indicates whether it is > capable of utilizi

GSM/GPRS at same time? (was: Re: does dialer supports multiple calls at a time??)

annels. There's a third classification, A-C, which indicates whether it is capable of utilizing both voice/SMS and GPRS at the same time. Is the hardware capable of doing both at once? If so, is it planned to support that in the software? If it can't do both at once, does that mean that inco

Re: does dialer supports multiple calls at a time??

On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 16:36 +0530, Phani Kumar Kancharala wrote: > Hi all, > I am new to openmoko... before having the real phone experience > thought of going through the source to understand how the moko > applications work , particularly the DIALER. > I could follow the call

does dialer supports multiple calls at a time??

progress and found like the call progress is integrated withe dialer object. If my observation is true then here is my concern Is moko dialer supporting call hold feature to handle two or more calls at once? if it supports where can i find it? Thank you all -Phani

FW: MobileCampNYC2 - November 10th at the Downtown Conference Center

au > Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 6:08 PM > To: MobileCampNYC > Subject: MobileCampNYC2 - November 10th at the Downtown Conference Center > > > Hey everybody, > > we are pleased to announce the upcoming MobileCampNYC2, November 10th, > at the Downtown Conference Center!

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

ail, even while it's off, so that all the messages will be >> available when the user turns it on. > > This not because Apple or AT&T are evil. It's actually a bug (or call it > a design shortcoming) and could happen to anyone. OpenMoko should > probably include some

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

en browsing > GPRS+no roaming -> check mail 4 times a day, download full mail but skip > attachments > 2MB > Wifi+at home -> no limits > public wifi -> use VPN/SSH tunneling > wifi+in china -> use Tor > > etc That can all be done via profiles. Have a profiles scr

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:06:02 +0200, Sander van Grieken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: wifi+in china -> use Tor Maybe better just not use email at all in that case: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/10/misuse_of_tor_led_to_embassy_passwo

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:47:26 +0200, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OpenMoko should probably include some system-wide network access management that avoids huge roaming bills. Quite simply, build in a data counter that you can enter the cost of a data unit and have the phone show yo

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > This not because Apple or AT&T are evil. It's actually a bug (or call it a > design shortcoming) and could happen to anyone. I'd actually call it ignorance or lack of information from Apple. Apple like to make thi

AT&T is cruising for a bruising

http://theinquirer.net/?article=42235 But then the Baby Bells are gonners, init?!? By Nick Farrell: Monday 10 September 2007, 07:53 A HUMAN called Jay Levy says he has been stung by Apple's iPhone pact with AT&T after he took an Iphone on a Mediterranean cruise. They didn't us

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

and implications (do you want to chroot it ? how will you manage package upgrades and dependencies ?) that it has on their machines AND the community as a whole. Take the case of a small scale closed source app done in a one-man-show fashion. If it does a decent job at a small cost, and we

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Attila Csipa wrote: On Monday 27 August 2007 17:24, Giles Jones wrote: It means a heck of a lot if you can't earn back the outlay. Mobile If you _can_ earn it back directly through selling proprietary software for it, OpenMoko is a mockery of the GPL. In that case you are not creating a tr

Request for Speaker at WPLUG

Hello everyone, Are there any OpenMoko developers in Western PA USA that would be interested in coming to a WPLUG, http://www.wplug.org, meeting to discuss his or her experience with OpenMoko and the Neo1973? Please contact me off list to discuss. Thanks, Dave Kraus

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Tuesday 28 August 2007 17:51:23 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > > No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very > > > least. This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it > > Can you give some references on this (just out of

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Attila Csipa wrote: On Tuesday 28 August 2007 16:39:54 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;) Can you give some references on this (just out of curiosity) ? i

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Tuesday 28 August 2007 16:39:54 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. > This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;) Can you give some references on this (just out of curiosity) ? > it). I d

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

the > Neo1973 (TT must be chuckling quite a bit by now). No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;) > The difference is, that > since there IS a GPL version of Qtopia (as opposed to a G

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Monday 27 August 2007 15:32, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > No it's more like MS telling Intel to port Windows to the new processor for > them. You want to sell something on a platform? Well if nobody wants to > port it there, you should do it yourself or don't do it, but then you don't > get to bug o

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

check what's inside, but it's very clearly marked, explained and listed in the FAQs and documentation (I really really wish most other OSS projects had at least half as good docs as Qt has). > > That's a precisely 100 Euros of difference, which is hardly twice > > the c

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On 27 Aug 2007, at 16:05, Attila Csipa wrote: Again, if you're a business and developing commercial software, the cost of a SDK means nothing to you - quite the contrary of the case if you are a tinkerer-open phone enthusiast. If you look closely at the licenses, you'll se

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

the cost of a SDK means nothing to you - quite the contrary of the case if you are a tinkerer-open phone enthusiast. If you look closely at the licenses, you'll see that you only really need to pay for licenses and SDKs if you plan on developing proprietary, NON-GPL phone applications or y

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Monday 27 August 2007 14:56:14 Attila Csipa wrote: > > How about Trolltech ports Qtopia GPL to the Neo *themselves*? That would > > prove that it's easy enough (heck you could count the hours of work > > included and write up some whitepaper touting how portable it is) and > > I don't really see

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On 27 Aug 2007, at 13:56, Attila Csipa wrote: e! Actually, considering the postage and customs costs of OpenMoko, it is roughly the same for my location which not Antarctica but practically the center of Europe :( I'm in Europe and the greenphone is about twice the cost. You ha

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

ng the postage and customs costs of OpenMoko, it is roughly the same for my location which not Antarctica but practically the center of Europe :( > very good toolkit, so I'm not at all opposed to Qt, quite the opposite > really and I also understand why Qt can't be LGPL. I thi

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

e up some whitepaper touting how portable it is) and people could chose themselves. It would also mean that people get to try Qtopia on a reasonably priced phone! Disclaimer: I use KDE everyday and I think it's by far the best desktop environment out there and a lot of that is closely relat

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

ng a free, open phone if you're planning or running proprietary/closed source software on it ? In that case, even a Qt-like dual license is better since at least it brings some income to the core developers. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

u see the conflict there? Aren't GTK+ and the openmoko libs under the LGPL? According to the wiki openmoko supports development of commercial software. I'm for an open OS, and I think that's a good place for the GPL. That way no one develops a closed source version o

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Before I start, I will state that I am absolutely *not* suggesting that OpenMoko move to Qtopia 4 - I simply wish to respond to some of your points. On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > There was "lot" of stuff for old Qtopia versions (1.5->2.2) but none of > them can be "just built"

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Dnia niedziela, 26 sierpnia 2007, Lorn Potter napisał: > On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > The problem with QTopia is that you will get GPL version (so no > > commercial applications for it) or will force OpenMoko into license > > payments. > > OpenMoko Neo is a 'free' phone, why

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > Dnia piątek, 24 sierpnia 2007, wim delvaux napisał: > > Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the > > overall stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still > > long perhaps too l

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Dnia piątek, 24 sierpnia 2007, wim delvaux napisał: > Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the > overall stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still > long perhaps too long ?) I wonder if it would not have been a better > solution to put

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Saturday 25 August 2007 00:07:30 Tilman Baumann wrote: > The limitation is that you have to use it. If you like it or not. > Or in other words, you don't code for the project unless you are a QT > nerd. ? Don't really see a difference with regard to GTK+ here - while you may prefer one of the

Misleading title: Re: Greenphone is not GPL (was RE: At the risk of being flamed :State of software)

On Friday 24 August 2007 23:08:59 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > doesn't contain any actual applications. Qtopia Platform is a set of > applications built on Qtopia Core, which are not all licenced under the > GPL. Looking at the Trolltech website, there is "Qtopia Open Source

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

a limitation. Look how far Opie was > >> evolved during the last years and how god id was from the > >> beginning. But it still was more or less insignificant. > > > > Opie is but a fork of Qtopia. Using Qt and c++ is hardly a > > limitation. Take a look at KDE. >

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

beginning. But it still was more or less insignificant. Opie is but a fork of Qtopia. Using Qt and c++ is hardly a limitation. Take a look at KDE. The limitation is that you have to use it. If you like it or not. Or in other words, you don't code for the project unless you are a QT

RE: Greenphone is not GPL (was RE: At the risk of being flamed :State of software)

> Be careful that you look at exactly what is covered under that GPL > licensing. In order to gain access to the phone stack for the Greenphone > (a must for my purposes) you have to pay them almost $5K for a commercial > license. I think Qtopia Core is what's covered under the

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Friday 24 August 2007 18:59:23 Jeremy G wrote: > I'm not sure just how open the Trolltech software is, but is the OS > open enough to port GTK/Gnome over to the Greenphone? Just curious. The OS is Linux, you get a framebuffer and glibc, I see no problem there (sources available), with a sligh

RE: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

In terms or wheel re-inventing, this is happening a staggering amount at the moment. Currently, the following projects have a user interface based on a modified (to varying degrees) GTK+: OpenMoko, GPE Palmtop Environment, GPE Phone Edition, Hiker (Access Linux Platform), Sato (Opened Hand),

Re: Greenphone is not GPL (was RE: At the risk of being flamed : State of software)

On Friday 24 August 2007 21:29:15 John Seghers wrote: > Be careful that you look at exactly what is covered under that GPL > licensing. In order to gain access to the phone stack for the Greenphone > (a must for my purposes) you have to pay them almost $5K for a commercial > licen

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Brad Midgley wrote: Lorn Just between you and me... there will be some great announcements in the next few weeks. I think you just said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud (a simpsons reference :) doh! ___ OpenMoko community mailing l

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Lorn > Just between you and me... there will be some great announcements in the > next few weeks. I think you just said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud (a simpsons reference :) One big question out there regarding the viability of other platforms on neo remains: how much effort is FI

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 17:49 +0200, wim delvaux wrote: > On Friday 24 August 2007 17:14:54 Thomas Wood wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 16:59 +0200, wim delvaux wrote: > > > HI all, [...] > > To be honest, I think we are quite close already but you really need to > > b

Greenphone is not GPL (was RE: At the risk of being flamed : State of software)

on GPL, not > a "GPL-like" license, the GPL itself). Be careful that you look at exactly what is covered under that GPL licensing. In order to gain access to the phone stack for the Greenphone (a must for my purposes) you have to pay them almost $5K for a commercial license. See the to

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

. Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the overall stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still long perhaps too long ?) I wonder if it would not have been a better solution to put things like QTopia on the phone. I mean, how long will it still take to get

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

insignificant. Opie is but a fork of Qtopia. Using Qt and c++ is hardly a limitation. Take a look at KDE. Then look how far Nokia got with theyr maemo gtk modell. Within half a year they had a big community and lots of great programms ported. Thats more because they had some cool hardware. Meamo

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Aug 24, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote: WxWidgets never crossed my path. Qt is out of the question since I don't do C++. I tried a handful of times to get familiar with it, and was fiercely rejected every time. That's strange - I have tried a variety of widget

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Hi, This is OpenGL ES stuff what I was (intending to atleast) talking about, the inherent ability in the core gui to use the new features for devices like mobile phones. Real interfacing with 3d that far surpasses the current expectation is something I'm looking for in a phone like this. That

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

oking at the overall stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still long perhaps too long ?) I wonder if it would not have been a better solution to put things like QTopia on the phone. I mean, how long will it still take to get things to this level (http://trolltech.com/pro

RE: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Hi all, Personally, I intend to use Qtopia for my homebrew phone (because of lots of reasons, but mostly because of the OpenGL ES acceleration). I'm certain OpenMoko will never switch to Qtopia as so much effort has been put in already. I suspect, however that Qtopia may one day find itself ru

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

> But OpenMoko developers should have the right to choose the > development tools they prefer. It is they who have a lot at stake in > this project. The worse that can happen to you or me is that we won't > be able to play with a new gizmo. Sean, Mickey, and the rest of the >

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Subject: Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software Date: ven 24 ago 07 06:43:22 +0200 Quoting wim delvaux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > have you ever tried using WxWidgets or Qt ? WxWidgets never crossed my path. Qt is out of the question since I don't do C++. I

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Friday 24 August 2007 16:59, wim delvaux wrote: > Perhaps with a different style or something but at least QTopia has been > around for quite a few years, sporting a nice portfolio of apps, having a > nice ,portable and powerfull GUI library. > I know that the software is not fully

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Friday 24 August 2007 18:31:47 Carlo E. Prelz wrote: > Subject: Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software > Date: ven 24 ago 07 05:53:43 +0200 > > Quoting wim delvaux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > GTK ? GTK is a graphics library on top of which you desperately

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Friday 24 August 2007 18:31:47 Carlo E. Prelz wrote: > Subject: Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software > Date: ven 24 ago 07 05:53:43 +0200 > > Quoting wim delvaux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > GTK ? GTK is a graphics library on top of which you desperately

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

Subject: Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software Date: ven 24 ago 07 05:53:43 +0200 Quoting wim delvaux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > GTK ? GTK is a graphics library on top of which you desperately need a higher > level of abstraction (e.g. WxWidgets). I used GTK,

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

ity. GTK ? GTK is a graphics library on top of which you desperately need a higher level of abstraction (e.g. WxWidgets). Also GTK AFAIK does not really define a style guide. Look at OpenMoko and look at Gnome or at WxWidgets : same GTK lib but completely different programming model. Also what is

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

gt; wonder if it was such a good idea to rewrite from scratch an entire GUI > > system. > > > > Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the > > overall > > stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still long > > perhaps > &g

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Friday 24 August 2007 17:14:54 Thomas Wood wrote: > On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 16:59 +0200, wim delvaux wrote: > > HI all, > > > > Champion of open source and user of familiar on Ipaq when time was new, i > > wonder if it was such a good idea to rewrite from scrat

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

gt; HI all, > > Champion of open source and user of familiar on Ipaq when time was new, i > wonder if it was such a good idea to rewrite from scratch an entire GUI > system. > > Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the > overall > stability and complet

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 16:59 +0200, wim delvaux wrote: > HI all, > > Champion of open source and user of familiar on Ipaq when time was new, i > wonder if it was such a good idea to rewrite from scratch an entire GUI > system. > > Knowing that the device is now about 6 mo

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