Re: [computer-go] reminder, there is another possible computer go contest in Taizhou

2008-08-27 Thread Rémi Coulom
David Fotland wrote: In late september there is a computer go contest in Taizhou, with cash prizes. They might cancel this contest due to lack of participation, so if you are thinking of going, please let them know today or tomorrow. David How many participants do they have ? In the last

Re: [computer-go] reminder, there is another possible computer go contest in Taizhou

2008-08-27 Thread Erik van der Werf
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:57 AM, David Fotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In late september there is a computer go contest in Taizhou, with cash prizes. They might cancel this contest due to lack of participation, so if you are thinking of going, please let them know today or tomorrow. David

Re: [computer-go] reminder, there is another possible computer go contest in Taizhou

2008-08-27 Thread John Fan
If I guess it correctly, it is probably not professor Liu's decision, rather the sponsor's request the tournament be held in their own city instead of Beijing, as there are cash prizes involved. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Rémi Coulom [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Erik van der Werf wrote: I

[computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread Robert Waite
* - MoGo was using 5% of Huygens (instead of 25% against Kim); * - there were some software improvements * - MoGo won 2 out of 3 games in 9x9 (even games) * - MoGo won with handicap 5 in 19x19 against the 6D player That is interesting... it used 1/5th of the processing power and got approximately

Re: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
What were the software improvements? Were they related to the code distributing the work, or to the actual game playing/move selection code? Jim - Original Message From: Robert Waite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:54:14 AM

RE: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread David Fotland
You really can't conclude much about any mogo strength improvement from just one game. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Waite Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:54 AM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game * -

Re: [computer-go] reminder, there is another possible computer go contest in Taizhou

2008-08-27 Thread Nick Wedd
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Fotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In late september there is a computer go contest in Taizhou, with cash prizes. They might cancel this contest due to lack of participation, so if you are thinking of going, please let them know today or tomorrow. David

Re: [computer-go] reminder, there is another possible computer go contest in Taizhou

2008-08-27 Thread Rémi Coulom
No need of translation: http://219.142.86.87/English/index.asp This is the location, as indicated in the invitation e-mail: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=%E5%8F%B0%E5%B7%9Eie=UTF8oe=utf-8client=firefox-all=24.846565,120.058594spn=67.50517,125.683594z=3 Rémi

Re: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread Bob Hearn
In principle MoGo ought to be about a stone (or slightly more) weaker with 1/5 the processing power, which is consistent with 2-3d against Kim and 1-2d against the 6d. I watched both games, and MoGo did seem stronger to me against Kim... but then, I knew in advance the processing power in

Re: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 16:08 -0400, Robert Waite wrote: * You really can't conclude much about any mogo strength improvement from just * one game. It is true that you can't make a conclusion.. but you can draw some information from two games. I would think it is statistically unlikely that

Re: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 13:20 -0700, Bob Hearn wrote: In principle MoGo ought to be about a stone (or slightly more) weaker with 1/5 the processing power, which is consistent with 2-3d against Kim and 1-2d against the 6d. I watched both games, and MoGo did seem stronger to me against

Re: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread Bob Hearn
On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Don Dailey wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 13:20 -0700, Bob Hearn wrote: In principle MoGo ought to be about a stone (or slightly more) weaker with 1/5 the processing power, which is consistent with 2-3d against Kim and 1-2d against the 6d. I thought a doubling was

Re: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread Rémi Coulom
Don Dailey wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 14:56 -0700, Bob Hearn wrote: The MoGo team has said that MoGo wins 62% of its games against a baseline version when the processing power doubles. That's about half a stone (if you assume you can generalize to human opponents). Yes, I believe

Re: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread terry mcintyre
- Original Message From: Rémi Coulom [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to my experience with Go data, it is not possible to give the value of one stone in terms of Elo ratings. For weak players, one stone is a lot less than 100 Elo. For stronger players, it may be more. Also, it is

Re: [computer-go] yet a mogo vs human game

2008-08-27 Thread Don Dailey
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 00:45 +0200, Rémi Coulom wrote: Don Dailey wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 14:56 -0700, Bob Hearn wrote: The MoGo team has said that MoGo wins 62% of its games against a baseline version when the processing power doubles. That's about half a stone (if you