Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread David Doshay
A long time ago there existed the ‘formal’ and the ‘open’ divisions. Because SlugGo used so much GNUGo code in a way such that SlugGo could offer several stones and still beat GNUGo, it was decided that whenever both bots were available for the tournament one would be in one division and the

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Urban Hafner
That sounds reasonable to me. The downside for you Nick is of course that it's possible that there's bugs in the program and that it will just crash. ;) But at least against GnuGo that hasn't happened in a long time. And I guess once people complain that this setup is unfair towards their

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Arthur Cater
> Somehow my neural net has a blur at "j" and "y”. That must get yollj awkward at times! :) ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Aja, sorry for this. Of course I meant the bot "Aya". It seems, I will never learn it consistently. Somehow my neural net has a blur at "j" and "y".   > Thanks Ingo for listing me with two strong Go programs. > I think I can give GnuGo 9 stones on 19x19 board. :)   Hmm, not 10 ? But

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Nick Wedd
I would happily run more than one division (which the KGS scheduler will regard as separate events). Is there enough interest to justify a second division? Nick On 4 May 2016 at 15:46, Urban Hafner wrote: > There used to be many more entrants in the past IIRC. And we

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Nick Wedd
Here's a suggestion. I would like to hear what Urban, and others, think about it. I enter GnuGo in these events to keep the numbers even. The operators of strong bots don't want to waste processor cycles proving that they can beat GnuGo, but they prefer it to a bye. Instead of my using GnuGo to

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Urban Hafner
There used to be many more entrants in the past IIRC. And we never split into several tournaments or leagues. But I also feel we should wait for Nick to chime in. I think we had this exact same discussion a while ago but I can’t remember the outcome. ;) Urban On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:38 PM,

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira
Has the number of programs risen that much? I'd prefer not adding self-declared ranking limitations, though as a spectator handicap matches are interesting. Anyways, Urban, I can enter my program too if you want, it is well bellow GNU Go in 19x19. Gonçalo On 04/05/2016 15:27, Erik van der Werf

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Erik van der Werf
Or switch to McMahon / Handicaps On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Scheib wrote: > That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a first, > second and so... categories. > > 2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Sebastian Scheib
That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a first, second and so... categories. 2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty : > Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps there > could be a separate tournament level for

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps there could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots earn the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry requirement of

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

2016-05-04 Thread Urban Hafner
I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested in this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from entering