Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-13 Thread Christoph Birk
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Darren Cook wrote: I actually think that under Chinese rules White wins too because Black owes 1 point for playing the last (and first) move. I'd not heard that 1pt adjustment before; is it only when black plays the last move? Do you have a reference, as this page does not

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-13 Thread Darren Cook
I actually think that under Chinese rules White wins too because Black owes 1 point for playing the last (and first) move. ... I got this from the AGA rules which I (falsly?) assumed to use chinese counting (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wjh/go/rules/AGA.html) I only saw this in section 4, on

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-13 Thread Christoph Birk
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Darren Cook wrote: I got this from the AGA rules which I (falsly?) assumed to use chinese counting (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wjh/go/rules/AGA.html) I only saw this in section 4, on handicap games: If the players have agreed to use area counting to score the game (Rule 12),

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-13 Thread Christoph Birk
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Christoph Birk wrote: On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Darren Cook wrote: I got this from the AGA rules which I (falsly?) assumed to use chinese counting (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wjh/go/rules/AGA.html) At one time, the Chinese rules compensated White with an extra point when Black

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-13 Thread Darren Cook
I got this from the AGA rules which I (falsly?) assumed to use chinese counting (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wjh/go/rules/AGA.html) At one time, the Chinese rules compensated White with an extra point when Black got the last move. If Black's last move was to fill a ko he or she had won,

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-13 Thread Hideki Kato
This extra bonus for black is commonly known by Japanese Go players who know Chinese rules. That is, the result of a game is the same if either rules is used (Japanese or Chinese) in simple games (i.e. no Seki etc.) except this extra bonus for black when the number of moves of the game is

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread chrilly
Why not put both version on CGOS and find out? - Don We have at the moment 3 GUIs and each of them does not support the protocoll. The main GUI is from GoAhead. Its written in old Atari-Basic and according to Peter Woitke its difficult to integrate it. ChessBase has promised a better GUI,

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread chrilly
- Original Message - From: Erik van der Werf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT) On 7/11/07, chrilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attached is an interesting

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Phil G
We have at the moment 3 GUIs and each of them does not support the protocoll. I have written a C# Prototype-GUI. But I have no time and also not much interest to develop this further. .. Chrilly Hi Chrilly, GoTraxx has a C# class that interfaces directly with CGOS. Should be fairly

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread steve uurtamo
] Interesting Test Position (for UCT) On 7/11/07, chrilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attached is an interesting testposition which occured in UCT-Suzie against Peter-Woitke. If black plays 37 c4 the game is lost by 0.5 points. If Black passes, white gets a lot of threats. Black

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Chris Fant
I haven't been working on Go at all recently so here's my UI code. It's not great. I only used it for testing and feedback. It's not meant to look nice. Perhaps someone else can also use it. www.fantius.com/Go.UI.rar ___ computer-go mailing list

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Chris Fant
I forgot to mention, it's C#. On 7/12/07, Chris Fant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been working on Go at all recently so here's my UI code. It's not great. I only used it for testing and feedback. It's not meant to look nice. Perhaps someone else can also use it.

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Phil G
Darren Cook wrote: You know you can output internal data to stderr and gogui will pick it up and show it in the shell window? Yes; I use the stderr output feature extensively. In fact, GoGui can be extended via customizable analyze commands via GTP, which among other things, can display

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Jason House
On 7/12/07, Phil G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there are only two drawbacks with this approach. One, it only works as a result of a customized GTP command. Sometimes I want it to display debugging information data while the GTP command is still executing (or maybe as an addition to an existing

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Phil G
Jason wrote: I'd also be willing to support slight variants to SGF that use positions such as C4 instead of wacky things that don't match the notation everyone else uses and vary depending on the board size. Anders Kierulf's SmartGo program has the option to use standard Go coordinates

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Jason House
On 7/12/07, Phil G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason wrote: I'd also be willing to support slight variants to SGF that use positions such as C4 instead of wacky things that don't match the notation everyone else uses and vary depending on the board size. Anders Kierulf's SmartGo program has

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Christoph Birk
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, chrilly wrote: New lesson learned. It depends on the rule set if something is correct or a blunder. So far the Go-masters told me, it does not matter, its practically the same. Obviously its not. This is not some weired, constructed position, it really happened and it does

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Darren Cook
Or did you mean it is too much bother to connect with gogui while also running your code in a debugger? That would be great! How do you do that (without going through a million zillion steps each time)? I use Visual Studio. Can Visual Studio connect to a running process? On linux you'd do

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-12 Thread Darren Cook
New lesson learned. It depends on the rule set if something is correct or a blunder. So far the Go-masters told me, it does not matter, its practically the same. Obviously its not. This is not some weired, constructed position, it really happened and it does not look strange at all. I

[computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-11 Thread chrilly
Attached is an interesting testposition which occured in UCT-Suzie against Peter-Woitke. If black plays 37 c4 the game is lost by 0.5 points. If Black passes, white gets a lot of threats. Black can choose between a safe loss, or some risk and a win. UCT-Suzie and the public domain version of

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-11 Thread Don Dailey
Why not put both version on CGOS and find out? - Don On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 23:17 +0200, chrilly wrote: Attached is an interesting testposition which occured in UCT-Suzie against Peter-Woitke. If black plays 37 c4 the game is lost by 0.5 points. If Black passes, white gets a lot of threats.

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-11 Thread Gunnar Farneb�ck
Chrilly wrote: Attached is an interesting testposition which occured in UCT-Suzie against Peter-Woitke. If black plays 37 c4 the game is lost by 0.5 points. If Black passes, white gets a lot of threats. Black can choose between a safe loss, or some risk and a win. UCT-Suzie and the public

Re: [computer-go] Interesting Test Position (for UCT)

2007-07-11 Thread Erik van der Werf
On 7/11/07, chrilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attached is an interesting testposition which occured in UCT-Suzie against Peter-Woitke. If black plays 37 c4 the game is lost by 0.5 points. If Black passes, white gets a lot of threats. Black can choose between a safe loss, or some risk and a win.