Zen had the white stones and won game 2 of
the GoBet-II against John Tromp.
Here you find sgf
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02.sgf
Winning percents for White, as seen by Many Faces of Go
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02-percents.jpg
Territory estimates for White, as seen by ManyFaces
Congrats to Zen this time.
Thanks again, Ingo.
Later this group went over Jordan.
For some reason crossing the Jordan is not one of the hundreds of
euphemisms that do exist in the english language.
How about it entered the garden of serenity :-)
The MFs winrate graph is pretty good at telling
Winning percents for White, as seen by Many Faces of Go
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02-percents.jpg
Territory estimates for White, as seen by ManyFaces
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02-territory.jpg
Ingo, Thanks for posting these charts, I think they are very interesting.
David,
Hi Darren,
I think, I an also answer your questions on the charts.
Winning percents for White, as seen by Many Faces of Go
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02-percents.jpg
Territory estimates for White, as seen by ManyFaces
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02-territory.jpg
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This was a major blunder, IMO. I think John will win every game in which
he avoids big ones like this.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.dewrote:
According to the experts the most decisive action was Zen's move
122.f2 which increased the pressure on John's
If he could avoid every big blunder, then he'd probably be a rank or
two stronger.
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On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 17:05, Michael Williams
michaelwilliam...@gmail.com wrote:
Kibitzing anything in that room is pointless for all the noise.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:10 AM, steve uurtamo uurt...@gmail.com wrote:
to be fair, that was a very subtle situation. only two of the hundreds
of kibitzers expressed anything like a correct solution.
s.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012
I'll admit, I'm not a dan player. I don't even play enough to know my rank.
Probably I'm missing something about the position. But it seems that the
group simply doesn't have two eyes and allows Zen to remove the last way of
getting two eyes.
Although Zen also did not see it as being as
the group simply did not have two eyes. the subtle part of the
equation was trying to figure out how to save it. very few people had
good suggestions about that. and lots of relatively strong players
were watching.
s.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Michael Williams
michaelwilliam...@gmail.com
in the post-game analysis that i watched, the more relevant factor
seemed to be decisions made earlier in the game. but you should ask
john what he thinks, it was his game, after all!
s.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 AM, steve uurtamo uurt...@gmail.com wrote:
the group simply did not have two
I think he's listeneing. John, what was your take on that situation? At
the time and in hindsight.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:41 AM, steve uurtamo uurt...@gmail.com wrote:
in the post-game analysis that i watched, the more relevant factor
seemed to be decisions made earlier in the game.
Ingo is correct. The territory chart's fluctuations are because it uses the
old territory evaluation without any lookahead. So for example if a move
threatens a big group, and the reply saves it, there will be fluctuation,
since the group's territory went from solid to unsettled, back to solid.
On 01/15/2012 10:18 AM, Michael Williams wrote:
Kibitzing anything in that room is pointless for all the noise.
For both games, I set up a clone game with moderated chat where only
dans could kibitz. Unfortunately, at best it only had 10% participation
(based on observer counts) and the
Hello Jeff,
thank you for your service. Although I will likely stay
at the crowded place when the game runs I look at the
papertiger comments afterwards. They definitely broaden
the horizon.
Ingo.
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On 01/15/2012 03:19 PM, Richard J. Lorentz wrote:
In case you cannot get the listing next to the unmoderated one, will I
still be able to easily find your moderated game by just scrolling the
list of games and looking for tromp vs. zen19n, presumably with an extra
tag or flag or something?
It
Like after the match in December 2010, I intend to write a report on this
match for the ICGA Journal. For that it would be nice to have comments
by John, Darren, Zen team, and strong observers (Ajahuang, Gogonuts, others).
Some comments I will collect from the chat, for more I will ask at or
A couple of questions in the game comments yesterday, about Zen, that
seemed to go unanswered:
1. Does it have an opening book? Is it hand-made, or a cache of long
MCTS analysis, or something in between?
2. Does it think on the opponents time?
Darren
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Saturday saw another Man Vs. Machine game:
http://shogi.typepad.jp/eweblog/computer_shogi/
The computer software Bankras beat retired and former Meijin Yonenaga
Kunio in 113 moves.
It seems it is just a one-game match, and the next one won't be until
2013 (where it will be five professionals
(2012/01/16 8:56), Darren Cook wrote:
A couple of questions in the game comments yesterday, about Zen, that
seemed to go unanswered:
1. Does it have an opening book? Is it hand-made, or a cache of long
MCTS analysis, or something in between?
Zen has an opening book for 9x9 only.
2. Does
Game 3, with mostly dan-level comments:
http://files.gokgs.com/games/2012/1/16/PaperTiger-2.sgf
Zen won by resignation. Series is 2-1 in Zen's favor.
I got Aja 6d and gogonuts 5d to kibitz, and participation by observer
count was much better, around 60 versus the 260 or so for the
I think that the advertisement here was a great idea.
s.
On Jan 15, 2012 6:26 PM, Jeff Nowakowski j...@dilacero.org wrote:
Game 3, with mostly dan-level comments:
http://files.gokgs.com/games/**2012/1/16/PaperTiger-2.sgfhttp://files.gokgs.com/games/2012/1/16/PaperTiger-2.sgf
Zen won by
Thanks, I found it on the Android Market and purchased my copy.
Someone complained that it does not play as well on the Android as it does
on a 24 core computer. Is that true? What a disappointment! I
laughed out loud when I saw that.
But, more seriously, does anyone know how many
Hello Jeff,
thanks for setting up the relay,
and also for posting the sgf with the comments here.
In the other relay (tromp vs zen19n) John made a few
comments directly after the game. I quote him here:
N7 assumed black would respond to P4 at Q4.
felt already lost when playing N7 [at move 48]
I
I have this problem too. I think the problem is not resignation. The problem is
when several player challenge at the same time. You can tell kgsgtp to write a
log. Below is such a log for CrazyStone.
So it must be a bug in kgsgtp. Maybe wms reads this. Otherwise, we could send a
message to
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