Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones

2008-07-19 Thread Constance Warner
This is weird. "The Blessed Ones" is the name by which the Furies are commonly called, in Greek and Roman religion and literature. I sat down at my computer this morning, glanced at the subject line of the incoming emails, and wondered why the Furies were a topic of discussion on a compu

[CGUYS] More XP Security Info and Internet

2008-07-19 Thread John DeCarlo
http://www.elabs7.com/functions/message_view.html?mid=507597&mlid=499&siteid=20130&uid=ec6781c2ae See section for July 16 -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones

2008-07-19 Thread Eric S. Sande
There's probably some kind of analogy to the present situation, to the actual topic of this thread, but I don't want to think about it. I think you're overanalyzing this but your point is clear. Sometimes the Mac people come off as Eumenides to the non-Mac people. That much is apparent. But i

Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones

2008-07-19 Thread Constance Warner
Well, the Eumenides are also known (in translation) as "The Friendly Ones" and a translation of "eumenides" is, roughly, "the pleasant ones." So maybe we should think about that when talking about Mac versus PC. BTW, I use PC at work and (mostly) Mac at home. I just got my first Linux b

Re: [CGUYS] imax

2008-07-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Here is what is reported to be a good listing of the Dark Knight in Imax for the US and Canada. or shorter at . Surprisingly it doesn't have a DC locati

Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones

2008-07-19 Thread Eric S. Sande
I guess dogs, cats, and penguins can play together. That's the general idea, yes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys

Re: [CGUYS] imax

2008-07-19 Thread Richard P.
Some might consider the Chantilly, VA location as the "DC area", even though it's some 45 minutes outside of DC's center. Udvar-Hazy is part of the DC's Smithsonian. Dark Knight tickets are 12.50 plus 12.00 parking; Ouch! How many people can you stuff into a car ;-) Richard P. Here is what

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
> I guess that Macs have always been seen as appealing to folks of a >countercultural nature or to those who would be "different," as the >Mac ads say. I also think that is a big reason that many steer clear >of Macs. You will also see lots of Macs used by scientists. If you watch science prog

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business

2008-07-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I fully comprehend and understand all of what you are saying and >did so from the outset of my observations. Indeed, almost all of the >computers were Dells. The point remains that however it is >accomplished and for whatever the reason, Windows systems remain >hugely dominant in the bus

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business

2008-07-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Going forward, I predict we'll see a decline in market share of both Windows >and Apple in this area, in favor of open-source *nix OSs (linux,etc.). >There's absolutely no advantage to a proprietary OS in a turnkey system. One would think so. The most trouble-free piece of equipment I have here

Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones

2008-07-19 Thread Steve Rigby
On Jul 19, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Constance Warner wrote: The Furies, incidentally, are the righteous avengers who seek out crimes and injustice and prosecute the culprits. That's us, alright! Steve * ** List info, su

Re: [CGUYS] imax

2008-07-19 Thread Michael Fernando
> I've been looking around our local imax theaters to go see Dark Knight > since this is one of the few movies actually shot and not converted > for imax. I don't know anything about the tech specs behind imax, > just that it's big. I've been hearing conflicting stories about the > theaters here

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business

2008-07-19 Thread Steve Rigby
On Jul 19, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: On second thought... No. No. I have been entirely too agreeable. No your observation is that they are dominant in POS. And you really haven't established that either. Your observation is that they dominate in situations where the POS looks like a

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread mike
Where do you get this stuff? On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As I said before, people who get to choose their own computers to perform > work care about will overwhelmingly choose Macs. People who use Macs > outperform those who use Windows. > > **

Re: [CGUYS] imax

2008-07-19 Thread mike
Some movies are converted for imax, but not shot with imax film. That's why I wanted to see Batman at the imax, as noted before, portions were actually shot using imax stock. The only problem here, a local theater chain has a deal with the only full size imax theater in the valley to not run any

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Where do you get this stuff? You need to get out more. Expand your reading beyond Microsoft Security Bulletins. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map,

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread mike
Probably need to drink the Steve Jobs koolaid too but I'm not really going there. Mike On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Where do you get this stuff? > > You need to get out more. > Expand your reading beyond Microsoft Security Bulletins. > > > **

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread John DeCarlo
Mike, Why do you care where he gets it? It isn't like there are any reputable studies that show anything else. You certainly can't dispute the findings. You can find hundreds of examples with a simple Google search. Trying to find counter-examples is difficult - you have to find something fund

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread Jordan
Start by watching some science programs on TV. There are other types of real life shows where you'll see that creative people often have a Mac. mike wrote: Where do you get this stuff? On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As I said before, people who g

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread mike
Well that's proof. Tv. lol. Mike On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Start by watching some science programs on TV. > There are other types of real life shows where you'll see that creative > people often have a Mac. > > > mike wrote: > >> Where do you get this

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread mike
I get tired of FUD of various types being spread like someone is driving a john deere around the listserv. And then when challanged all we get is go find it yourself it's obviously right. I don't count just anecdotal evidence of bloggers as reputable studies...three result pages of google search

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread Tony B
You know you're just feeding the trolls, don't you? A simple notice to newbies that there is a very small group of rabid Mac fans on here that often post just to rile people up would suffice. I suppose it's a good thing this list doesn't have rules against trolls. Where else would we get some of o

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread mike
Or for my sake apparently, feeding them. Mike On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know you're just feeding the trolls, don't you? A simple notice to > newbies that there is a very small group of rabid Mac fans on here that > often post just to rile people up

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread John DeCarlo
Mike, Tony is right. I should ignore your trolling. You have no fact, not even rumors or anecdotes, to back you up. Just another attempt to make the 99% of the reasonable people on here respond to your trolling. I should have known better. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:17 PM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread mike
I'd be better at this if I was more defensive about the computer I use. Keep on keepin on, John. Mike On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:28 PM, John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike, > > Tony is right. I should ignore your trolling. You have no fact, not even > rumors or anecdotes, to back you

Re: [CGUYS] imax

2008-07-19 Thread mike
Jeff, How much would you say was shot in imax? Worth the money and perhaps a longer drive? I'm supposed to take my father later this week. Mike On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:44 PM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some movies are converted for imax, but not shot with imax film. That's > why I w

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Well that's proof. Tv. lol. Mike thinks those Macs you see on Nova are CGIs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org

[CGUYS] Emotional About (Cisco) Hardware?

2008-07-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
How about being so protective of your hardware that you are willing to go to jail to keep others from molesting it? This is a fascinating story... The Story Behind San Francisco's Rogue Network Admin "Last Sunday, Terry Childs, a network administrator employed by the City of San Francisco, was

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread mike
I confess...the *real* reason I don't have a mac at home isn't because they cost more or that I can do just as much without any trouble on my pc. It's because I watched Seinfeld and feared if I owned a mac my life would be about nothing. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
>FUD doesn't work. If your work bright and shiny on a mac good for you. Others >have just as much productivity on windows or linux or solaris...whatever tool >that works for them. The point was made the Xnix would be a far better platform for POS than either Mac or Windows. To which I heartily ag

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread mike
Where exactly did I cast these aspersions? And I never brought up Trolls for that matter either. I don't care what tool works best for you. I can't figure out why the few mac users here care so much when something other then macs work well for other people. I just get tired of baseless broad sw

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
>The real interesting bit out of this is Apple's use of windows ce as their >POSgosh that's funny isn't it? Not really. There is no alternative PDA POS. The only thing that is funny is your expectation that they would do something stupid.

Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 2

2008-07-19 Thread mike
As you say, MS customers would not be be so smart. Tom says: MS plays on their insecurity by telling them that they have to be smart to use Xnix. (Obviously a MS customer would not be so smart.) They point to all the flavors of Xnix and make it sound like every one is wildly different. "Who will