Re: [CGUYS] What a pain... Sad.

2009-03-26 Thread Marcio
I don;t think it is a DOS program, I used it with Windows 98 and ME. Marcio -Original Message- From: Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.com Sent: Mar 25, 2009 5:09 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What a pain... Sad. Marcio, If it is a dos program maybe the

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread mike
Intuitive is just another word for, in with the new, same as the old. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: At 05:14 PM 3/25/2009, Chris Dunford wrote: Do you have any data to confirm that the public thinks this, particularly of Office, which is what we're talking

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good (or always bad)

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
Intuitive is just another word for, in with the new, same as the old. Yes. Not long ago I was engaged in a blog comment war about climate change and one of the critics said, The global warming alarmists refuse to engage in the debate, that's how I know it's a hoax. Since climate scientists

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread rocky lee
My Dad, who is in his early 70's, is taking a course on basic computer use, which covers Windows XP and the previous version of office. The latest version of office is loaded upon his home computer,however and he can't find any of the functions he needs to do his word processing, and that's

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread Tony B
You don't say *which* version, so I must suspect it isn't Office 2007, because if it was, you'd see right on the Home tab to the left in big size Paste, Cut, Copy, etc. All right out in the open, not hidden away behind menus. I can't imagine what would be easier for novices. Of course, it's

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good (or always bad)

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
The Global Warming alarmists etc. I used this as an analogy, not as a call for a new topic of discussion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] What a pain... Sad.

2009-03-26 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com: Yes I have a password to open the program. All it has are the dates of appointments for new and old patientes and it works very well. I Apparently, it *doesn't* work very well. Not any more. Win 98 and ME did things differently than does XP. I may be

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
you'd see right on the Home tab to the left in big size Paste, Cut, Copy, etc. All right out in the open, not hidden away behind menus. I can't imagine what would be easier for novices. Yes, Cut/Copy/Paste is a great example of something that is far more obvious in 2007 than in earlier

Re: [CGUYS] What a pain... Sad.

2009-03-26 Thread Jeff Wright
-Original Message- I don't know what Microsoft did for backwards compatibility when it moved Win2K and XP, but you might be running into some limitation. Your only hope would be to move to a new program, or set an older computer aside with ME on it and use that just to run Organizer.

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread Jeff Wright
You don't say *which* version, so I must suspect it isn't Office 2007, because if it was, you'd see right on the Home tab to the left in big size Paste, Cut, Copy, etc. All right out in the open, not hidden away behind menus. I can't imagine what would be easier for novices. Of course, it's

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread Fred Holmes
At 09:23 AM 3/26/2009, Chris Dunford wrote: Yes, Cut/Copy/Paste is a great example of something that is far more obvious in 2007 than in earlier versions yet is still judged hard to find. It isn't hard to find at all--it's the first button group in the first ribbon, and it's big. It's just not

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread Fred Holmes
At 09:33 AM 3/26/2009, Jeff Wright wrote: but anyone that uses it regularly for long periods of the day will adjust Many, most of us don't (use it regularly for long periods of the day). How do you accommodate those who don't? Hire secretaries to do everyone's word processing?

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread katan
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:04:37 -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I have tried Open Office and it is just not the same nor can it do what I do with Word. Again if I wanted to spend my time learning a new system and a new set of menus I would spend time with it. But I want to keep my

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
Lots of things become hidden in plain sight. It happens all the time. Since I always use the keyboard shortcuts for these functions, and occasionally the menu, I have no idea what the toolbar (ribbon) button for cut, copy, paste look like. Most icons are not intuitive to me on first use.

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread b_s-wilk
Wow! Thanks for the Bean! It looks like a good solution for me. I also have TextWrangler [BBEdit Lite], mostly for its powerful search features. I can search my entire computer from TextWrangler, and do a better, faster job than Find or Spotlight. I still use AppleWorks 6.2.9 in OS X, 10.5.6.

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Now that is not a fair observation. I am constantly trying out new things. I choose the ones I like and I let go the ones I do not like. I did not upgrade to Vista as I did not see it as a good upgrade. Same with Office 07. We do have Office 07 on the church machine but I have troubles

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread mike
Why 7 and not Vista? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: At present I am excited about Windows 7 and am anticipating upgrading to that. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Vista did not have the support for what I needed when it first came out and also Machines I had would not all support Vista. (I had just built a new machine and ran Vista advisor and it told me I still had a few things I had to upgrade.) It was just not an Upgrade I felt I needed to make.

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread mike
Vista suffers from poor marketing, and poor development from the MS side (being released too soon) and from the developer side (not enough drivers/software). Those problems were sufficiently gone by SP 1. It always made me chuckle when I hear how poor Vista is and then learn it's being put on

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Notice I did not make any assertions about Vista (Not familiar enough with it to do so.) I just said it was an upgrade I decided not to bite on. Same thing happened in the DOS market. DOS 5 was a blockbuster. I remember buying my copy. DOS 6 was not so hot. I think it took 2 incremental

[CGUYS] Climate Change Models

2009-03-26 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Fred Holmes wrote: The Global Warming alarmists consistently refuse to publish/release _all_ of the details of their research so that all of the assumptions and details of the analysis can be examined for factuality/reasonableness. It's very easy to create a computer

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
7 sounds like it is a much better upgrade. (They worked all the bugs out, but then why charge folks for your screwup?) Well, all this was worked out for Vista SP1, which *was* free. While Mike is generally right about most things other than politics, I disagree with him that Win7 is just a

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Only if you already owned Vista. The early owners of Vista (before SP1) were not an altogether happy lot. There were a lot of problems with it, caused by both MS and the vendors who support Vista. (There were a few ugly words between Vista and some vendors as to what code was needed to

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
Only if you already owned Vista. Right, I understand this. I was just pointing out that MS did fix Vista at no charge. The net result is the same either way: either you paid for Vista and got the free update; or you pay for Win7 and get Vista, the free Vista update, and all the new Win7 stuff.

Re: [CGUYS] Climate Change Models

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
At the risk of starting a whole new debate, I did want to disagree with this bit. At least one of the models is available for download. Right, I also wanted to disagree with it (actually, with pretty much all of it), but we did just have a political kerfluffle here. If anyone wants to yak about

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Let us add the statement not yet. Right now XP is still available, for just over $100.00 from vendors. (OEM) Vista SP1 Upgrade is available from Vendors for about $125.00. How much is 7 going to cost out the gate? Will Vista drop in price? I suspect not. XP has not dropped appreciably in

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
Let us add the statement not yet. Right now XP is still available, for just over $100.00 from vendors. (OEM) Vista SP1 Upgrade is available from Vendors for about $125.00. How much is 7 going to cost out the gate? Will Vista drop in price? I suspect not. XP has not dropped

Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

2009-03-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I did not say they charged for it. They really should have given a rebate for it. Just my opinion shared by some not shared by others. Stewart At 01:37 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote: Well, I guess this is going nowhere. The price increase is a price increase, not a charge for fixing Vista. They

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: You don't say *which* version, so I must suspect it isn't Office 2007, because if it was, you'd see right on the Home tab to the left in big size Paste, Cut, Copy, etc. All right out in the open, not hidden away behind

Re: [CGUYS] Change isn't always good

2009-03-26 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote: you'd see right on the Home tab to the left in big size Paste, Cut, Copy, etc. All right out in the open, not hidden away behind menus. I can't imagine what would be easier for novices. Yes, Cut/Copy/Paste is a

Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters

2009-03-26 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Latest crop of MS TV ads are less sad sack than the previous ones and the ones before those, but they still can't get around their ultimate inferiority complex. Their primary point is that you should get a Windows PC because it

Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
Their primary point is that you should get a Windows PC because it is cheap. Nice spin, but no, their primary point is having a choice. On her $1,000 budget she could choose between many PCs, or she could take the one Mac, which didn't fit her requirements. If I wanted cheap I would get a

Re: [CGUYS] OS X Migration A**istant is broken

2009-03-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'm trying to transfer data from a G4 to an Intel iMac. The G4 has 3 internal drives. Migration Assistant only sees the first drive on the first bus. The boot drive is the 3rd drive on the second internal bus. The first drive has OS 9 on it, and isn't big enough to use for backing up the boot

[CGUYS] Windows 7 *user* reviews [Was: Office 2007]

2009-03-26 Thread katan
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:48:35 -0700, mike wrote: BTW, I am running Win7 on a laptop here so I do know what it looks and runs like. Mostly due to perceived (based largely on early reviews) excessive hardware demands and UAC issues, I also plan to skip over Vista. Even though I desperately need a

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 *user* reviews [Was: Office 2007]

2009-03-26 Thread Chris Dunford
The Libraries folder seems pointless. It's just a rehash of some of the folders in Username (My Pictures, My Music, My Documents, and My Videos). No, no, libraries are way different from My Documents etc. You're just seeing the default. They are folder aggregates, not folders, so if you have

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 *user* reviews [Was: Office 2007]

2009-03-26 Thread mike
Actually it wasn't a ripoff from Apple, gadgets/widgets whatever you want to call them were around a long time before Apple. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:58 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: I kind of like Gadgets for one reason: the analog clock. I like that you can set the opacity and leave it

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 *user* reviews [Was: Office 2007]

2009-03-26 Thread mike
I understood libraries couldn't do more then aggregate folders not file types? So when I open the Pictures library, it opens all files in any of the attached folders to the library? I've wanted Apple's smart folders on windows since Apple put that feature in OS X...wonderful tool for those of us

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 *user* reviews [Was: Office 2007]

2009-03-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I have them on XP called Widgets and Yahoo does them. Keeps a dock on my right hand side with selected widgets in them. Including Clock and calendar. Plus for Laptops and battery monitor and a Wifi monitor. Stewart At 10:45 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote: Actually it wasn't a ripoff from

Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters

2009-03-26 Thread Eric S. Sande
Their primary point is that you should get a Windows PC because it is cheap. To some extent. I saw it as conveying the message that Lauren, even if she's broke (well she's not that broke, she's wearing nice clothes, looks healthy, and is driving a car) has more choices in hardware. Even if