Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread Art Clemons
Why am I not surprised? An even better forced upgrade for IE6 users would be a mandatory upgrade to IE7 or IE8. Neither is great, but IE6 is so full of security problems that it's not even clear it's really supported anymore. Besides, consider all of the folks out there with XP who are

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:26 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Why am I not surprised? http://www.pcworld.com/article/166024/ microsoft_tries_to_force_you_to_use_bing.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a41:g26:r10:c0.023904:b24935762 This isn't nearly so bad as M$'s stealth Firefox plugin for *Microsoft

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
An even better forced upgrade for IE6 users would be a mandatory upgrade to IE7 or IE8. Neither is great, but IE6 is so full of security problems that it's not even clear it's really supported anymore. Windows 2000 tops out at IE6. It's a solid and stable OS and is what the 7-year old Dell

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
-Original Message- The basic problem is that it gave Firefox the same kinds of security hole that Explorer has. [citation needed] **My note: Logging on as the admin would have enabled the uninstall, which makes me wonder what all the sturm and drang was about, since LUA users

Re: [CGUYS] On Demand Books [Was: Blogging for marketing networking (was: Blogging: is it worth it?)

2009-06-07 Thread Constance Warner
Getting a consulting business based on a book IS a success--if that business is successful! Almost nobody makes a living writing these days. I know only one author who does it, and she has to write, and sell, a MINIMUM of three books a year. (It's the science fiction writer Catherine

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Microsoft, Sony take aim at Nintendo Wii at E3

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Have not seen anything on this and I guess that is what my earlier rants were about. This is all pre beta stuff. They introduced the technology and now it has to be out into games. Could make a huge difference in how games are

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 8:45 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: This isn't nearly so bad as M$'s stealth Firefox plugin for *Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant 1.0*http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc716877.aspxthat enabled one click in Firefox. It was installed in January as part of a M$ tuesday

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Microsoft, Sony take aim at Nintendo Wii at E3

2009-06-07 Thread mike
soo...you have any proof of you conspiracy (once again against MS shock!) or is this just more baseless stuff from your attic? And when this comes out, are we going to get treated with your admitting you were wr...wro...wrr Mistaken? On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:18 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Yet one more reason why only fools overreact to non-issues resolved last month. FTFY. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread mike
Orphaned? Apple won't even let you run new versions of safari on 'old' versions of OSX. By the time 7 comes out, XP will be 8 years old...just how long should MS continue to babysit customers who still want software they used a crowbar to go from 98 to get working on XP and now want to work

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Microsoft, Sony take aim at Nintendo Wii at E3

2009-06-07 Thread Chris Dunford
The way it works is that the perpetrator responds to real competition by issuing prospective announcements and demos of things that might be. They are vague about dates and vague about prices and as vague as possible about features (letting people's imaginations fill things in). This

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Microsoft, Sony take aim at Nintendo Wii at E3

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 11:43 AM, mike wrote: soo...you have any proof of you conspiracy (once again against MS shock!) or is this just more baseless stuff from your attic? And when this comes out, are we going to get treated with your admitting you were wr...wro...wrr Do you really know

Re: [CGUYS] Bing Fraud [Was: Forced to Bing Against Their Will]

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
It is times like these when we can discover who is objective and who is just an M$ minion. Oh, do tell. We're itching to know how you found out. Why am I not surprised? Why am I not surprised that you're not surprised? This could be said of any big-name company that sics the hype-machine

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread Art Clemons
Which version of linux are you running? Slackware-current with the 2.6.29.4 kernel * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] Bing Fraud [Was: Forced to Bing Against Their Will]

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: That many tech writers, who *might* be out of college by now and have *zero* journalistic training beyond cutting and pasting from other web sites, have dueling facts and/or use poor sources for information on a particularly hot topic isn't

Re: [CGUYS] Bing Fraud [Was: Forced to Bing Against Their Will]

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
You reinforce my point. It is precisely because information is thin and events have yet to evolve that make this a good time to out the Mac press minions. It is like those astronomical observations that can only be made during a total eclipse of the sun. This is the time when you can most

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: -Original Message- The basic problem is that it gave Firefox the same kinds of security hole that Explorer has. [citation needed] There is this quote from annoyances.org

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Update (5/2009): We just release an update to .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 that makes the Firefox plug in a per-user component. This makes uninstall a LOT cleaner.. none of the steps below are required once this update is

[CGUYS] Yet one more reason why only fools run Windows.

2009-06-07 Thread Rich Schinnell
Date:Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:36:55 -0400 From:t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com Yet one more reason why only fools run Windows. Interesting thoughts make me wonder. Of course Tom, you evidently do not have any windows computers or you would be calling yourself a fool, which I am sure you are too

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread mike
I was thinking...great lengths seems to be hitting the 'uninstall' button in the extensions of firefox for that extension. Whew...I'm tuckered out after that ordeal. I had to *restart* firefox too. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:36 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2009, at 8:45 AM, John

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
There is this quote from annoyances.org http://annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600: Yes, I saw that. That's where I found the MSDN blog that describes the why and that an update is out. Unfortunately, the Annoyances page, which all other pages seem to quote verbatim, doesn't offer any

[CGUYS] FW: Computer Guys Pls Help me get this to List ...

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
From Gail…. Subject: Computer Guys Pls Help me get this to List ... Hi ... I've had my mouse die on my computer and I can't access my email program very well to send message to the list about what i might do about this short of reformating the drive. If you could forward an SOS for me I'd be

Re: [CGUYS] BAD MOUSE! [was: Computer Guys Pls Help me get this to List ...]

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Done. Gail—That's the standard response when they have no idea what the problem is. It sounds like it could be something as simple as a mouse driver. Have you tried plugging in the mouse to other USB ports or a known, good mouse to the original port? Have you tried rolling back to a system

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:23 PM, mike wrote: I was thinking...great lengths seems to be hitting the 'uninstall' button in the extensions of firefox for that extension. Whew...I'm tuckered out after that ordeal. I had to *restart* firefox too. If you had bothered to check before posting you

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 2:25 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: “This update adds to Firefox one of the most dangerous vulnerabilities present in all versions of Internet Explorer: the ability for websites to easily and quietly install software on your PC. Since this design flaw is one of the reasons

Re: [CGUYS] BAD MOUSE! [was: Computer Guys Pls Help me get this to List ...]

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Gail—That's the standard response when they have no idea what the problem is. It sounds like it could be something as simple as a mouse driver. Have you tried plugging in the mouse to other USB ports or a known, good mouse to the original

Re: [CGUYS] Yet one more reason why only fools run Windows.

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Rich Schinnell wrote: So: is this the definition of being a fool? Ah yes, the everybody's doing it argument rears its head once again. There was a time when just about everybody smoked. When I would interrupt smokes with Excuse me, this is not a smoking area I

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread mike
Not for Tom, this may be too much of a clear thinking post for him to handle. There seems to be a lot of mis-information and hype being spread around about this. See: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/05/microsoft_update_quietly_insta.html Is this truly a vulnerability? Can

Re: [CGUYS] Yet one more reason why only fools run Windows.

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
I would get the same kind of hostile reaction as I just got from Rich. Hostile? You were solidly pwned, classily, I would add, by experience and wisdom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

[CGUYS] Linux and Zip drive

2009-06-07 Thread Stephen Brownfield
I recently made my wife's old PowerBook into a Linux laptop running Fedora 10. The PowerBook has a removable VST Zip 250 Drive. Is there anyway I can get drivers for it? Thanks, Steve * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Microsoft, Sony take aim at Nintendo Wii at E3

2009-06-07 Thread Chris Dunford
On Jun 7, 2009, at 11:43 AM, mike wrote: soo...you have any proof of you conspiracy (once again against MS shock!) or is this just more baseless stuff from your attic? And when this comes out, are we going to get treated with your admitting you were wr...wro...wrr Do you

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Microsoft, Sony take aim at Nintendo Wii at E3

2009-06-07 Thread mike
I think Tom had a moment of clarity and was describing what he was doing was posting FUD. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2009, at 11:43 AM, mike wrote: soo...you have any proof of you conspiracy (once again against MS shock!) or is this

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 6:15 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:23 PM, mike wrote: I was thinking...great lengths seems to be hitting the 'uninstall' button in the extensions of firefox for that extension. Whew...I'm tuckered out after that ordeal. I had to *restart*

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like the malice or incompetence rule can be invoked here. They corrected the behavior which allowed the user-level install, so I won't assign malice. So I should trust them because they are only incompetent and not

[CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Marcio
Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I guess

Re: [CGUYS] FW: Computer Guys Pls Help me get this to List ...

2009-06-07 Thread Tony B
I would assume Jeff already suggested all the obvious tests like does the mouse work in safe mode? Does it work from a boot disk? And, if not, he's had you buy a new mouse by now. Otherwise, it could simply be corrupt mouse drivers which might be easy to reinstall. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 10:19 PM -0300 6/7/09, Marcio wrote: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Tony B
You of all people should know by now that when you install a new version of Windows you should do it clean. Don't upgrade. Besides, as I recall, you bought that (those?) machine(s) long after Vista was out, but you stubbornly insisted on XP. We have a saying in the US: You made your bed, now you

[CGUYS] IE 8 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Ellen Harris
I'm trying to help my husband. (First mistake.) We try to log into https://employees.faa.gov In Chrome and Firefox, half the buttons don't work (obviously done by someone in love with IE). So, when I try to open it in my brand new IE8, the page opens, then immediately goes to a search page

Re: [CGUYS] IE 8 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
-Original Message- I'm trying to help my husband. (First mistake.) We try to log into https://employees.faa.gov In Chrome and Firefox, half the buttons don't work (obviously done by someone in love with IE). So, when I try to open it in my brand new IE8, the page opens, then

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP Professional...and...then... Windows 7? I

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread Jeff Wright
I do wonder if this is going to wake the forces of Anti-trust again. I expect the EU to go after them for and who knows about the current US administration. Seriously? This is pretty meaningless stuff in the end, especially since they corrected the issue. I never asked Apple to install

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Marcio wrote: Here in Brazil the news are in the papers. Microsoft will start selling Windows 7 on October 22. To my dismay no upgrade from XP. Only from Vista. And I have a brasilian XP Home and a US XP Professional. I have a Vista to put on the top of the XP

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Tony B
Actually, I do. There are no obvious defects in it as it stands. Nor are there any defects in Vista, though driver support was woefully slow to materialize. And I bet the same will be true of Win7. I wonder how many engineers at e.g. Nvidia are working on Win7 drivers right now? Probably none.

Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will

2009-06-07 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 7, 2009, at 9:11 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: So I should trust them because they are only incompetent and not malicious? Incompetent vs. malicious. That is a tough call. Or are the maliciously acting like they are incompetent when they really are not? So many choices! In either

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Most vista drivers are supposed to work out of the box. So far I only found one that did not, and it was HP which is notoriously slow in releasing updates. Stewart At 10:46 PM 6/7/2009, you wrote: Actually, I do. There are no obvious defects in it as it stands. Nor are there any defects in

Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 pain

2009-06-07 Thread Chris Dunford
1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$ works out the defects. Do you laugh when you write this ridiculous stuff? Because it really reminds me of that I told them we already had one! line from Holy Grail.