Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-23 Thread Chris Dunford
> one of the first IBM PCs. I don't know how much that cost, but it had *two* > cases. A *huge* cable connected the two, and there was an additional hard > disk in the second one. That was an "expansion box". It had additional slots and a second HD. Not part of the PC, purchased separately. The

[CGUYS] Upgrade Plan was Mac OS upgrade

2009-12-23 Thread John H. Davis
Took a hosing on the two "copies" of 10.4 full I bought off ebay. (As predicted by Roger) Got my money back though, only cost was the aggravation + $2.07 return shipping. Bought a legal copy of 10.56 from Apple Phone Sales (Thanks for the tip, Betty) and will do a Clean install on a new ha

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-23 Thread John DeCarlo
At work, we had a nice lab. An Apple Lisa (got the Mac when it came out later), Amiga (already did graphics and true pre-emptive multitasking), then one of the first IBM PCs. I don't know how much that cost, but it had *two* cases. A *huge* cable connected the two, and there was an additional ha

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I got to work on the original 128K MacIntosh under System 1. My favorite app was the font editor. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Ridiculous isn't it what we spent in those days. > > My dad got his ATT 6300 through work (ATT) Nice thing

Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-23 Thread mike
Well Apple is not a democracy, which is it's greatest strength and weakness. It comes down to the single vision of one man and sometimes that will have a bad effect, luckily for Apple it usually has a very good effect, but does make change hard if weaknesses are found and Jobs doesn't see them as

Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-23 Thread db
Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long time ... Like Apple computers there is more to the iPhone then their Home screen. The collective good will make particular weaknesses bearabl

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-23 Thread Stewart Marshall
The partitions that are causing problems are hidden. The normal Win7 DVD will not see it, the malware designed it this way. A normal Dell machine has a Hidden (EISA) partition for recovery purposes. You never see it unless you boot to the Dell recovery Disk. It runs the recovery operation o

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-23 Thread mike
The idea is there is a block of HD space that's been taken over and a normal install isn't wiping it out. Although that /kill disk utility should have wiped it. I have no experience with this type of problem though so... On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Tony B wrote: > Please elaborate. Is th

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-23 Thread Tony B
Please elaborate. Is there a defect in the Win7 install routine? Linkage? On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: > A simple format and reinstall will not solve it. > > Yes it is malware, but he will never be able to wipe it out unless he > totally resets the HD. > > The old ut

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-23 Thread Stewart Marshall
A simple format and reinstall will not solve it. Yes it is malware, but he will never be able to wipe it out unless he totally resets the HD. The old utility Fdisk would really come in handy here. He has to wipe out all partitions, seen and unseen (that is why Fdisk) to get rid of this mons

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-23 Thread Tony B
There's no need to send it back; it's not a hardware problem. Now I forget - has he tried formatting the disk and reinstalling the OS? What disks, if any, did he get with the machine (or make himself)? It really doesn't sound like any virus I'm familiar with. I mean, creating partitions and changi

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-23 Thread Stewart Marshall
OK Gail this machine got infected by a lot misdeeds. First stop, get an external CD/DVD and boot to the Windows CD. Wipe out all partitions, and if he needs to go to a Linux root disk (These are a couple of sites where he can get theses with a bunch of basic DOS tools on them- someone help me

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-23 Thread Gail Miller
Hi ... Well I had to get my son to come over here and type out what actually happens with this "virus" because he didn't want to send it to me in an email. So, here's what he told me. Hope you can make out what it is that's going on --- and better yet -- what he might do to fix it. Worst cas

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-23 Thread mike
I've also heard a way around the application limit is instead of launching the app itself, you launch a file that in turn launces the app. Sound right or is that way off? Thanks for the feedback on this, instead of setting up two accounts, it's easier to just use the router, I can set specific ti

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-23 Thread Stewart Marshall
Ridiculous isn't it what we spent in those days. My dad got his ATT 6300 through work (ATT) Nice thing about it was the integrated graphics and monitor it came with. I kept that computer for a long time. Eventually upgraded to a 486SX. Then started building all of my own. Stewart At 10:40

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-23 Thread David K Watson
As others have pointed out, Accounts in System Preferences has parental controls which allow you to limit computer time or specific applications, but not time for particular applications. However, your friend could set up two accounts and limit internet applications but not time on one account

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-23 Thread John DeCarlo
My wife was working for a company that had ported its database to the IBM PC. So we got a loan from the credit union and bought a PC for $5,000. It had: - 10 MB HD (but we saved money by adding one to a PC, not by buying an XT) - 640K of RAM (maxed out, and more than $1000 of the price was bu

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-23 Thread mike
Dad wanted complete no access except when specified. LIke I said I have a router that will do it, but I was hoping it could be done at the user level. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:14 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, John A. Newitt > wrote: > > > At 8:28 AM -0700 12/2

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, John A. Newitt wrote: > At 8:28 AM -0700 12/23/09, mike wrote: > > That's what I thought, that I'd have to go to the router for such control. >> > > ...or use a parental controls application (e.g. Intego ContentBarrier). > > Open DNS would work for content. I f

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-23 Thread Robert Carroll
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I remember way back when memory sold for $60 a MB. (We sold a custom machine where the man wanted 16 MB of ram, cost him $640 a lone for the ram.) Stewart I remember when memory was $450 per MB. I had a Zenith PC and it had proprietary memory. Some time la

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-23 Thread mike
Easier to go thru the router, I've got one laying around with DDWRT on it. Just wanted to know if I could go through the OS. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 8:49 AM, John A. Newitt wrote: > At 8:28 AM -0700 12/23/09, mike wrote: > > That's what I thought, that I'd have to go to the router for such cont

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-23 Thread John A. Newitt
At 8:28 AM -0700 12/23/09, mike wrote: That's what I thought, that I'd have to go to the router for such control. ...or use a parental controls application (e.g. Intego ContentBarrier). - John -- * ** List info, sub

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-23 Thread Fred Holmes
I bought my first computer in 1982, running CP/M and a spreadsheet program called MultiPlan, to keep my church's books. Was a lifesaver compared with keeping the books with pen and ink on ledger paper. Made the generation of monthly treasurer's reports "easy." The machine had dual 180k 5-1/4-

[CGUYS] more google phone-ness

2009-12-23 Thread mike
Some of the tech sites are reporting the magical google phone will be Tmobile only, does this change the game and make it like every single other android phone out there? Will this be the rumored heavily subsidized google phone or just another offering? If not the openness of being on multiple ca

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-23 Thread mike
That's what I thought, that I'd have to go to the router for such control. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Roger D. Parish wrote: > At 12:10 AM -0700 12/23/09, mike wrote: > > Thanks, I don't have the box in front of me ATM and I wasn't sure you >> could >> get that precise as to set a time for

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-23 Thread Jordan
Yes, I had no real need or funds for a computer even though I had had a bunch of training, so I came in quite late. I'm kind of glad I didn't buy anything in the early days. I didn't actually buy until just before Windows 3.0. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I came into computers rather late.

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 22 Dec 2009 (#2009-1143)

2009-12-23 Thread rocky lee
You can limit network access by using Firewall Client IP filters in a router. This is probably not a perfect solution because it limits the whole machine during a specific time. If your friend wanted to use the machine during the restricted hours, he would have to either log into the router and

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-23 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 12:10 AM -0700 12/23/09, mike wrote: Thanks, I don't have the box in front of me ATM and I wasn't sure you could get that precise as to set a time for access to the net. You can't. At least, not as far as I can see. I set up a test account with Parental Controls, and the only time limits