Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread Jeff Wright
>  These are the same companies that totally screwed up our economy, > are they not?  The ones that pay their executives and managers > millions upon millions in bonuses for shoddy work and negligent > policies?  Why be interested in buying cheap computers if millions are > going to be blown in com

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:33 PM, mike wrote: > We still have them running the economy so lets keep em on the same > computers...why not? Hey, they'll never switch just like they'll never change any of their ways of doing business. Steve ***

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread mike
We still have them running the economy so lets keep em on the same computers...why not? On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: > > > And yet, millions of professional companies, including many in the > > Fortune 500 rang

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: > And yet, millions of professional companies, including many in the > Fortune 500 range, manage to get their work done and accomplish their > goals using Windows. These are the same companies that totally screwed up our economy, are they no

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Use any tools you want as long as you are not charging me for your time. My company pays me a salary and I must use a laptop with XP. Okay, but if they paid me by the job, I would not allow them to choose my tools. I never said anything about numbers. I don't much care what tools people choose a

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread Chris Dunford
> After seeing the difference between cheap tools and professional tools, > I am not tempted by the cheap ones, because they caused me to start the > tasks over, or they broke when I needed to depend on them. Mark, your comments very consistently ignore the fact that many millions of users people

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread Jeff Wright
> After seeing the difference between cheap tools and professional tools, > I am not tempted by the cheap ones, because they caused me to start the > tasks over, or they broke when I needed to depend on them. And yet, millions of professional companies, including many in the Fortune 500 range, man

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
I got into carpentry and wood working in the 1970s; professionally for a few years. Yes, I tried the cheaper tools. But when they broke or could not produce professional results, I quickly bought the more expensive tools. I could not afford the wasted time the cheaper tools caused me. After s

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread Jeff Wright
> Sure, Jeff, but after using both for over 20 years, I've never seen the > "generic" PC-Windows that can hold a candle to a decent Mac. I would > never pay _any_ money for the Dell laptop my company provides me, for > example, and I use that at least 5 days a week. Good for you, Mark. Now pass

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-15 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Sure, Jeff, but after using both for over 20 years, I've never seen the "generic" PC-Windows that can hold a candle to a decent Mac. I would never pay _any_ money for the Dell laptop my company provides me, for example, and I use that at least 5 days a week. So Jeff "saves" 60% buying lesser comp

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-14 Thread Eric S. Sande
You just have to know what you are getting and do some checking before you get it. Eat fruits, vegetables, fish, nuts and some grain products and olive oil. Drink a little beer and wine and get lots of clean water. Ride a bicycle daily. Don't get into gunfights and treat people well. You w

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-14 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not totally. Recently (within the last 6 months) a number of generics have been recalled and pulled off the market. (one of them my high blood pressure drugs) It runs out that all of these are extended or sustained release drugs. The companies can duplicate the medication contained within

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-14 Thread Eric S. Sande
What in heck are you guys talking about? I was hoping you knew. I'm not willing to devote the effort to a pointless discussion at this time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-14 Thread Jeff Wright
> What in heck are you guys talking about? I was hoping you knew. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-14 Thread Eric S. Sande
Would you pick a surgeon who was an idiot because all the good surgeons charge too much? Would you buy a comparable generic drug over the retail version, if it is shown to be as safe and effective and only 40% the cost? I'm pretty sure I'd take a bicycle over a fish if I needed to get to work

Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-14 Thread Jeff Wright
> Would you pick a surgeon who was an idiot? Or for the WFBs: Would you > pick a surgeon who was an idiot because all the good surgeons charge > too > much? RAAARGH!! STRAWMAN CRUSH!! I know I'm not going to waste any more time than needed to deal with your asinine argument. There, I'm done.

[CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout

2009-04-14 Thread Tom Piwowar
>You're answering this as a person who knows about printing, prepress, >separations. Most people know nothing about printing except that they >push the print button in the corner of the window to print, then reach >over to retrieve the printed copy. Or they argue with the print shop >that their